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[serghaven]

So, I took the SERG south for some break in miles. I was only able to get just over 400 miles on it in the two day's I was there  . I did install my TTS tuner and map from Steve before I left and the bike ran GREAT My question is, When I bring the bike in for the 1000 mile check up. Will they look at the map? I can and will put the stock map back in before I bring it in. But, Are they going to look at the map for something I'm not sure what is all kept on the map or what the dealer will be looking for when I bring it in. All they will see is a stock map with nothing on it unless I install the stock map and drive it around for a while before I bring it in. Thoughts?

[dartman]

I think you will find if you mark any critical fasteners that what you get for your money is a sloppily done oil change, if you pull up the 1000 mi inspection list, it is mainly an inspection that you are more then capable of doing yourself ,Use the hundreds of dollars you save to purchase a shop manual to assist you, you don't have to do it all at once, if you break it down over a few weekends it is not all that threatening and you will learn a great deal about your machine, NO one is going to give your bike the care and attention that you will. As a Rule, The dealer is not going to tie up his best mechanics on check  ups.

[UFO_HOG]

When you start looking at what they check, you'll find that a lot of those items do not apply to the SE bikes. Had this same discussion with my tech at my HD Dealership. Decided to do them myself. And as for the fasteners, he told me they only look for loose fasteners, because checking those that are tight with a torque wrench can break loose the locktite and cause them to come loose later.

I did the 1,000 mile myself, you can do it in about 4 hrs.

[wreckman 42]

I always do my own 1000 mile service. Have a hard time trusting anyone to my bike if it is not necessary.

[grc]

Getting back to the original question, there is nothing in the 1000 mile checkup that requires the dealership to connect their equipment to your bikes data port.  Therefore, they won't have any clue as to what "map" you're running, and most likely couldn't care less anyway.  The 1000 mile checkup is basically a very expensive oil change, and the only reason it hasn't gone the way of the dinosaurs is the fact it is so profitable for dealers.  If you take a look at the automotive world, they eliminated the early checkups a couple decades ago and now just tell you to follow the normal oil change schedule in the owner's manual.  If H-D actually had some decent process and quality controls there wouldn't be a need to check fasteners and adjustments anyway.  Properly torqued fasteners don't come loose in a matter of days, properly adjusted cables don't stretch over night, brake fluid doesn't evaporate, etc.  Think about it, H-D gets paid rather handsomely to assemble the bike properly, then the dealer gets paid rather handsomely to go over everything again during "dealer prep".  If after all that you really need to tighten and adjust a bunch of stuff, you just got hosed by H-D and the dealer.

Do yourself a favor and take the earlier advice.  Buy the manuals for your bike and learn to do the maintenance yourself.  You will find it to be a very satisfying experience (almost as good as actual riding for some), and you'll really know if something was done.

Jerry

[1abastarsmda]

So, I took the SERG south for some break in miles. I was only able to get just over 400 miles on it in the two day's I was there  . I did install my TTS tuner and map from Steve before I left and the bike ran GREAT My question is, When I bring the bike in for the 1000 mile check up. Will they look at the map? I can and will put the stock map back in before I bring it in. But, Are they going to look at the map for something I'm not sure what is all kept on the map or what the dealer will be looking for when I bring it in. All they will see is a stock map with nothing on it unless I install the stock map and drive it around for a while before I bring it in. Thoughts?

Like grc said, no reason for you to hide your map from them.  If it doesn't seem to be running properly or you are not sure if you have it mapped correctly, and you are going to have them dynotune your bike, then they'll work with your TTS tuner.  The 1000 mile checkup is for the most part a very expensive oil change and I'm guilty of paying the piper to do it.

[AXIL]

   i disagree with some of the opinions here. the 1000. mile service is the most important of all. the factory cant
 constantly assemble a bike, the set up is a very miner task as far as the book is concerned (list of things to check
and the time paid) so by the time you have 1000. miles it's time for all adjustments,lubes and fastener's to be dealt with
and if it's a cvo get that damn syn-3 out of there for good. if you have spoke wheels and thay are not tighten at the
1000 mile svc thay may not make it to the 5000 svc. and so on and so on. finding the right mechanic and the right
shop is a different story.  my .02 cents.                                 axil

[DCFIREMANN]

This is a very interesting thread. I have to agree with a few of the post above.

First if you are going to do it yourself BUY A MANUAL for your model bike, this will include the SE insert. If you read the book it will tell you to check and tighten ALL CRITICAL FASTNERS!!!!!! IMHO that is the most important item of your 1k service. We (IMO) own the best bikes available to the public, but they are not perfect, nor are the people that assemble them. I think in the past 20 years with HD being in their hay day things got laxed on the assembly line. Also by doing your own 1k service it will start a releationship between you and your bike for years to come. If you are not comfortable doing your own service find a mechanic and shop you are comfortable with. But I will tell you your 1k service is the most important one.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[jamesrgarner]

   i disagree with some of the opinions here. the 1000. mile service is the most important of all. the factory cant
 constantly assemble a bike, the set up is a very miner task as far as the book is concerned (list of things to check
and the time paid) so by the time you have 1000. miles it's time for all adjustments,lubes and fastener's to be dealt with
and if it's a cvo get that damn syn-3 out of there for good. if you have spoke wheels and thay are not tighten at the
1000 mile svc thay may not make it to the 5000 svc. and so on and so on. finding the right mechanic and the right
shop is a different story.  my .02 cents.                                 axil

What do you suggest in lieu of the syn 3?

[DESERTBEAR54]

Oil Leaks!!

[ultrafxr]

What do you suggest in lieu of the syn 3?

Mobil 1 V-Twin (or Amsoil - but harder to find) in the engine, Red Line Heavy Shockproof in the tranny and Red Line MTL in the primary.

[ultrafxr]

Getting back to the original question, there is nothing in the 1000 mile checkup that requires the dealership to connect their equipment to your bikes data port.  Therefore, they won't have any clue as to what "map" you're running, and most likely couldn't care less anyway.  The 1000 mile checkup is basically a very expensive oil change, and the only reason it hasn't gone the way of the dinosaurs is the fact it is so profitable for dealers.  If you take a look at the automotive world, they eliminated the early checkups a couple decades ago and now just tell you to follow the normal oil change schedule in the owner's manual.  If H-D actually had some decent process and quality controls there wouldn't be a need to check fasteners and adjustments anyway.  Properly torqued fasteners don't come loose in a matter of days, properly adjusted cables don't stretch over night, brake fluid doesn't evaporate, etc.  Think about it, H-D gets paid rather handsomely to assemble the bike properly, then the dealer gets paid rather handsomely to go over everything again during "dealer prep".  If after all that you really need to tighten and adjust a bunch of stuff, you just got hosed by H-D and the dealer.

Do yourself a favor and take the earlier advice.  Buy the manuals for your bike and learn to do the maintenance yourself.  You will find it to be a very satisfying experience (almost as good as actual riding for some), and you'll really know if something was done.

Jerry

I agree with you Jerry.  If the moco didn't put it together right and the dealer didn't check it out at pdi what the heck makes anyone think a problem will be caught at the 1k?  All of a sudden they're going to 'see the light.'  Don't think so.  Chit while in for repairs I've had battery not secured resulting in cable loosening up and no crank; muffler not bolted back to bracket under saddlebag, O2 sensors left unplugged - I could go on and on.  A friend of mine had a tire change and found a 36mm box wrench left on the axle bolt!  Luckily he saw that when he stopped for gas right after leaving the dealership and if he'd not had his bags off he'd not have seen it.  Like to do all I can but if I cannot I sure as heck go over the bike with a fine tooth comb after I get it back.  So heck no, I'll not pay for any 'services.'  Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.  No more!

Jerry

[DCFIREMANN]

In defense of the guys and gals on the assembly line. They are on a time line to move bikes down the line. All nuts and bolts are tightened up with air ratchets that are pre set. I know when you first fire them up and ride them a few hundred miles you will see some things come loose. For those of us that have bought trailers if you remember they tell you to check your lug nuts after the first 100 miles.

As I and Axil said in our above posts. You need to find a good mechanic that you trust to do your 1k service. That is the difference.
If you choose to do it yourself IMHO it is even better for you and your bike.

Be Safe

THE DAWG   

[ultrafxr]

In defense of the guys and gals on the assembly line. They are on a time line to move bikes down the line. All nuts and bolts are tightened up with air ratchets that are pre set. I know when you first fire them up and ride them a few hundred miles you will see some things come loose. For those of us that have bought trailers if you remember they tell you to check your lug nuts after the first 100 miles.

As I and Axil said in our above posts. You need to find a good mechanic that you trust to do your 1k service. That is the difference.
If you choose to do it yourself IMHO it is even better for you and your bike.

Be Safe

THE DAWG   

Beg to differ DAWG.  Got a 2006 GM suv with a little over 30k on it.  Never, ever been back to the dealer for anything.  Had three oil changes & put Mobil 1 in it.  Thats all.  Wish I could say the same for my HD.

[AXIL]

   I got a ten year old truck from dad, he changed the oil every 3000. miles and i had to replace the driver side
 door hinges because he never got the SERVICED.  there is a differences between an oil change and a service.
   Don't go to a shop blindly, fine a good mechanic. they are out there.    axil