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Re: Paint swirls scuffs easily, clearcoat seems too soft on SERG
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2009, 07:37:19 AM »

I will probably get flamed for this but here goes. I find this too humorous.  I think many of you are too anal about stuff like this. Yes these are very expensive bikes with very expensive paint jobs but they aren't perfect. If you want perfection I think you will drive yourself crazy trying to achieve it with these bikes or any other bikes for that matter. I don't see any scratches in my paint. I had a vivid black RG last year and I will tell you, now there is a bike you can see scratches in. Sometimes I read these posts and think that too many people on here buy these bikes to sit around and be drooled over rather than ridden. I ride mine every day. When I am not riding it, it is too damn hot to clean on it. By the time it is cooled off I am doing something more fun or important than cleaning and inspecting its appearance. The beauty of this bike is one of the reasons I bought it but keep in mind that this bike will never look as good as the day you bought it unless you don't ride it. Just ride the damn thing and enjoy the function of it. Then when you put her up, stand back, look at her and say, damn you're good looking baby I can't wait to hop on you and ride again. Yes, and this is coming from the same guy that thinks there is too much orange on top. T.
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Re: Paint swirls scuffs easily, clearcoat seems too soft on SERG
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2009, 08:22:37 AM »

I agree with you Big-T.  Too little time, too much to do.
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Re: Paint swirls scuffs easily, clearcoat seems too soft on SERG
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2009, 08:56:06 AM »


Big-T, you just have to wait for everyone to get a few rock chips and scrapes on their new bikes and then they will tend to chill out and find something else to obsess over. ;)  It's just like buying that first brand new car; washing it daily, never parking where a bird might fly over, parking a mile away from the store entrance to avoid door dents, never driving on dirt or gravel roads, etc.  After a few months of this, the car gets sandblasted by a dump truck driving down the highway, or some other doofus parks a mile away from the store and right next to you, putting a nice dent in your door, or the wife drives the car and takes it through an automatic car wash with old worn out brushes.  All of a sudden, you find yourself with extra time on your hands for other things in life, since a daily wash and wax seems to be a waste now that your new baby isn't a virgin anymore.  I think this is a pretty natural progression for most people.  Of course, there are those ultra-anal types that wax the underside of the fenders and the bottom of the engine, but it is usually best not to disturb those guys.  I think that's how the Unabomber got started. :nervous:

Jerry ::)

For those who think the paint is too soft, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.  It's happened before.  If you think you really have a problem, find a good paint shop and have them test it for you.  Don't expect much out of the MoCo if you complain, however.  They have a paint policy that basically says if you can see it from 10 feet away it's a defect, otherwise tough chit.  Another customer friendly policy from those wonderful folks in Milwaukee.
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Re: Paint swirls scuffs easily, clearcoat seems too soft on SERG
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2009, 09:14:30 AM »

Hey Big T, well said. Hell that sounds just like the lecture I got from my wife. I have now had a chance to ride this beauty a few thousand kms and it runs so nice I am no longer sweating the small stuff. Can't get enough of that O\B.  :bananarock:
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Re: Paint swirls scuffs easily, clearcoat seems too soft on SERG
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2009, 09:30:14 AM »

Like Jerry said +1.

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Re: Paint swirls scuffs easily, clearcoat seems too soft on SERG
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2009, 10:30:21 AM »

He charged me $200 to paint some black ones not o/b. This guy must be doing something right he has been in the same location for over 20 yrs. He has good prices and keeps his word, that's something very rare for a paint guy.

A few years ago I painted my 69' FLH, I spent less than $200 in materials. That includes tape, sandpaper, everything. I'm sure since a shop his size buys in volume his material cost are less than mine.
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Re: Paint swirls scuffs easily, clearcoat seems too soft on SERG
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2009, 03:32:34 PM »

A bird sh1t on my saddlebag lid while at work and when I wiped it off with a Armorall windshield wipe a few hours later it left a blemish in the clearcoat...it actually ate into the clearcoat!  

I thought the bird may have eaten some nuclear waste but reading all your posts it seems the MoCo's contractor for CVO painting has other issues besides ZERO quality assurance.

I disagree with other posts who say we should quit bitchin and just ride.  I could put my CVO SERG next to ANY stock/base model on the showroom floor and the quality on the non-CVO bike would blow-away the CVO paint job.  WTFO :nixweiss:
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Re: Paint swirls scuffs easily, clearcoat seems too soft on SERG
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2009, 04:13:58 PM »

I don't agree that if you ride you have no time to take care of your stuff. I ride about 10K/year, not as much as some, but more than most. Both my car/bike look like new at all times, top to bottom. I am old now and I have been taking care of my stuff since I was old enough to drive. The 05 I traded for my SERG is sitting on the dealers floor with the new bikes and looks as good as any of them. Probably takes me a few minutes longer to do this, but I enjoy it. Don't do it for anyone other than myself. I just take pride in my stuff looking perfect, and will do whatever it takes to keep it that way. Big T maybe you don't think it possible, but I do ride mine and it does look better than the day I bought it and it will the day I sell it.
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Re: Paint swirls scuffs easily, clearcoat seems too soft on SERG
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2009, 05:43:26 PM »

A bird sh1t on my saddlebag lid while at work and when I wiped it off with a Armorall windshield wipe a few hours later it left a blemish in the clearcoat...it actually ate into the clearcoat!  

I thought the bird may have eaten some nuclear waste but reading all your posts it seems the MoCo's contractor for CVO painting has other issues besides ZERO quality assurance.

I disagree with other posts who say we should quit bitchin and just ride.  I could put my CVO SERG next to ANY stock/base model on the showroom floor and the quality on the non-CVO bike would blow-away the CVO paint job[/b].  WTFO :nixweiss:

I remember making that same comment several years ago, and as far as I can tell it's still true.  Standard Harley's get painted in a modern and highly automated facility, and the resulting finish is considered by many to be the best in the industry.  Unfortunately, the CVO folks aren't satisfied with just simple stuff that could be painted in the regular system, they design multiple color and graphics laden designs that the system can't handle.  Therefore, they contract the paint out (probably to the low bidder, based on what I've seen) and then don't inspect the stuff and hold the vendor's feet to the fire when the parts are shipped to the assembly plant.  The '06 models were probably the pinnacle of the crappy paint jobs, and for those who weren't around back then the H-D response was similar to the crap they pulled on all you 110 engine folks.  "Problem, what problem, we don't see no stinkin' problem."  Lots of folks went through lots of grief to get their bikes halfway right, and some never did get full satisfaction.  And among the issues at that time was soft clear coat due to excessive film thickness (too many coats of clear, too many repairs adding extra layers of semi-cured paint, etc.)

My previous post wasn't made to make light of the paint issues folks are having.  It was just my feeble attempt to lighten the mood a little, since I've been there and know first hand how easy it is to lose sleep over this kind of stuff if you let it get to you.  I had finger prints in my paint from the doofus vendor folks handling parts with their bare hands, contamination marks probably from the same source, cracked paint, off color spits, etc.  Eventually most of the parts got replaced, and I learned to live with some minor things that only I noticed.  When you consider that a big part of the justification for that ridiculous price tag on a CVO is the "custom paint", it does tend to piss one off when the standard bikes have better quality.  All I can say is, people who intend to continue to buy CVO's from Harley will probably need to either learn to accept the poor quality facts of life, or do like me and just say no to buying another one.  I don't see anything that would lead me to believe the MoCo is going to change it's ways anytime soon.

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Re: Paint swirls scuffs easily, clearcoat seems too soft on SERG
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2009, 07:24:21 PM »

 :soapbox:  All Im gonna say is......get off it. The paint on my bike has some flaws but over all it is a very good paint job and I can tell you it is much better quality materials and  over all superior to the standard bike. These bike are done by a person thats what makes them special and not perfect. Try to color sand a blemish off a factory finish...right thru the clear.  :bananarock:
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Re: Paint swirls scuffs easily, clearcoat seems too soft on SERG
« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2009, 08:08:49 PM »

Quityerbitchin'bout my bitchin...that's one of the best parts of this forum. 

Want a rosey picture...the goldwing site is a great place to gofor that fluff.
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« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2009, 08:28:58 PM »

I'm about as anal as they come, and I've had ZERO problems with my paint (build 03-09), swirls, scratches or otherwise.  If you want a good product to help, buy Ultra Lustre (google and you should be able to find it through independent distributors, if you're in TX hill country check out Coyote Ranch for a vendor).

But I have to agree - if you bought your bike to show it off, enter the shows and trailer it covered everywhere.  I love the whining and back-and-forth, but I bought mine to ride AND enjoy, and swirls give it character.   :2vrolijk_21:

CVO's IMO blast the standard HDs any way you look at them.  They're not perfect but if I want perfect  I'll find something else to buy other than bikes.  Enjoy the swirls and then enjoy fixing them - just another excuse to tinker with the thing.  Besides, shiny side up means the shiny side WILL get dinged.  In the immortal words of fellow DHOG Ed, "I didn't buy it to wash it."
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Re: Paint swirls scuffs easily, clearcoat seems too soft on SERG
« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2009, 04:04:45 AM »

I'm about as anal as they come, and I've had ZERO problems with my paint (build 03-09), swirls, scratches or otherwise.  If you want a good product to help, buy Ultra Lustre (google and you should be able to find it through independent distributors, if you're in TX hill country check out Coyote Ranch for a vendor).

But I have to agree - if you bought your bike to show it off, enter the shows and trailer it covered everywhere.  I love the whining and back-and-forth, but I bought mine to ride AND enjoy, and swirls give it character.   :2vrolijk_21:

CVO's IMO blast the standard HDs any way you look at them.  They're not perfect but if I want perfect  I'll find something else to buy other than bikes.  Enjoy the swirls and then enjoy fixing them - just another excuse to tinker with the thing.  Besides, shiny side up means the shiny side WILL get dinged.  In the immortal words of fellow DHOG Ed, "I didn't buy it to wash it."
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