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[DakotaZeb]

Can the new PowerCommander V be used on older bikes like 2003-2006?  Or do you have to use the PC III on these bikes?  From PC's web site I take it that the PC V is only for new bikes.

[Twolanerider]

Can the new PowerCommander V be used on older bikes like 2003-2006?  Or do you have to use the PC III on these bikes?  From PC's web site I take it that the PC V is only for new bikes.

PCV on the new models.  Prior bikes get the PCIII. 

[DakotaZeb]

That's what I believe also.  But I emailed Jamie at FuelMoto about a PC from my '03 SERK and he recommended the PC V.  I questioned him on it and he said it would work.  I'm still doubtful, but I would think he would be the guy to know.

I would think the availability of maps would be limited for the PC V for the older bikes.

[Twolanerider]

That's what I believe also.  But I emailed Jamie at FuelMoto about a PC from my '03 SERK and he recommended the PC V.  I questioned him on it and he said it would work.  I'm still doubtful, but I would think he would be the guy to know.

I would think the availability of maps would be limited for the PC V for the older bikes.

Dynojet's own website has a fitment matrix that disagrees with him.  Everything I'd read said PC V was the new form factor required to simply fit in the new bikes and accommodate a few new bells and whistles (electronic throttle and a bit else). 

Have seen the software and maps for both the III and the V.  From the rider's perspectice the only immediate tuning gain (and it's not much of a gain) was more data fields.  Instead of fields for input at 500, 1000, 1500 etc as the PC III had the PC V has fields for 500, 750, 1000 etc.

I wasn't using the V.  So honestly had no reason to study it's spec's at all closely.  And have not done so.  But that's what's been covered in what little I have read or seen.

[relxn88]

I don't know if twolane rider has an agenda but, he is certainly wrong (or at least misleading) on much of what he wrote. That is why you need to do a search on the PCV. The originial PC111 did have 500rpm incrementation but the PCUSB (WHICH HAS BEEN AROUND FOR YEARS) has 250rpm incrementation. As a matter of fact, the older PC111 can only be used on bikes up to 2004. Where the PCUSB can be used on the older and newer bikes up to 2008. The Harley SERT only increments the fuel table in 250rpm increments ,to 3000rpm, and then its 500rpm increments on up. As for Jamie at Fuelmoto, he does a retrofit so the new PCV works on the older bikes. He also supplies the PCV with custom tuned maps(individual cylinder tuning). As I said, if you do a search, you'd find some pretty good reading about the PCV. Just another 2cent opinion.

[Twolanerider]

I don't know if twolane rider has an agenda but, he is certainly wrong (or at least misleading) on much of what he wrote. That is why you need to do a search on the PCV. The originial PC111 did have 500rpm incrementation but the PCUSB (WHICH HAS BEEN AROUND FOR YEARS) has 250rpm incrementation. As a matter of fact, the older PC111 can only be used on bikes up to 2004. Where the PCUSB can be used on the older and newer bikes up to 2008. The Harley SERT only increments the fuel table in 250rpm increments ,to 3000rpm, and then its 500rpm increments on up. As for Jamie at Fuelmoto, he does a retrofit so the new PCV works on the older bikes. He also supplies the PCV with custom tuned maps(individual cylinder tuning). As I said, if you do a search, you'd find some pretty good reading about the PCV. Just another 2cent opinion.

I do have an agenda.  World Peace and no bras on passengers on the back of Harleys.  

Aside from that I only said Dynojet's own website shows the PC Vs to be for the new bikes and not the prior models.  It does.  No one asked about retrofits and you were the first to bring it up.  How much anyone wants to retrofit/alter a primary ignition component is of course up to them.

Also wasn't knocking the 250 RPM increment difference I'd seen between the PC V and the PC III.  Only saying that I'd seen it.  Also don't think that in actual practice the extra field is really that big a deal.  Sure, more is better.  But I'm really not worried about the difference.

I'm a Power Commander user.  On two bikes.  And several others before that.  So not knocking the product at all.  Not sure where you took that impression from.  As for the 500 RPM increments existing on the PC III USB I can only share what I see on both of my current bikes.  Here's a screen shot of a map from my current software that I just brought up.  Maybe a software or firmware update gets me more?  But, like I said, my bikes run great with the Power Commanders just the way they are.

[Pete7539]

I have a PCV on an my 08 and it works great. Call Jamie at fuelmoto, from what I understand the only reason PC is saying it "won't" work is b/c they have an S-ton of PCIII's that'll be useless if they do. They're not posting maps on their site, but as I said fuelmoto does. They loaded a front & rear map onto mine for SEUC w stage 1 and bub7 slipons and I plugged it in and its right on the money. They also offer free map support indefinitely. If you change cams or mufflers or whatever, send an email and they'll give you a map. They double the warranty on PC products as well.  http://www.fuelmotousa.com/  Check em out. There are other distributors that'll sell for about $15 less, but nobody that dynos as many bikes and offers free maps and double warranty.

[grc]

Don, you need to go into the "Tools" drop down list and select "Maximize Resolution".  Then you will see the 250 rpm steps.

Jerry

[Twolanerider]

Don, you need to go into the "Tools" drop down list and select "Maximize Resolution".  Then you will see the 250 rpm steps.

Jerry

Very cool.  Thanks Jerry.  One of those cases where it was as I had always seen it and was accustomed to seeing it so never thought to expect it be anything different.  And such a simple step.  Really appreciate the heads up .

Do you know if the wider data bands are defaulted to because the map selected was simply created that way?  Or is it a software default?  Doesn't really matter though.  Just a curiosity.

[grc]

Very cool.  Thanks Jerry.  One of those cases where it was as I had always seen it and was accustomed to seeing it so never thought to expect it be anything different.  And such a simple step.  Really appreciate the heads up .

Do you know if the wider data bands are defaulted to because the map selected was simply created that way?  Or is it a software default?  Doesn't really matter though.  Just a curiosity.

I believe it opens in the view the map was last saved in.  If you open a map with the 500 rpm bands, then do the "maximize resolution" trick and then save it, the map will be converted and the next time you open that map it will open in the 250 rpm band view.

Jerry

[Twolanerider]

I believe it opens in the view the map was last saved in.  If you open a map with the 500 rpm bands, then do the "maximize resolution" trick and then save it, the map will be converted and the next time you open that map it will open in the 250 rpm band view.

Jerry

That's it exactly Jerry.  Messed with it a minute after seeing what you'd shown earlier and then saw that was the method it followed.  Thanks again for pointing it out.

[relxn88]

Twolanerider, The only thing I can add about changing of the resolution to 250rpm is if you haven't saved the original map with 500rpm resolution - "you can't go back".  I found that out the hard way. Didn't save the original map and then I was stuck tuning twice as many cells. And as you said, I too have found some bikes do not need the extra resolution to give a good tune. I don't think the average STAGE 1 bike will really notice the difference, but it does take longer to tune with the extra resolution. Just my personal preference on some bikes. Don't consider myself a tuner of any consequence, just trying to muddle through.

[Twolanerider]

Twolanerider, The only thing I can add about changing of the resolution to 250rpm is if you haven't saved the original map with 500rpm resolution - "you can't go back".  I found that out the hard way. Didn't save the original map and then I was stuck tuning twice as many cells. And as you said, I too have found some bikes do not need the extra resolution to give a good tune. I don't think the average STAGE 1 bike will really notice the difference, but it does take longer to tune with the extra resolution. Just my personal preference on some bikes. Don't consider myself a tuner of any consequence, just trying to muddle through.

Glad you pointed that little eccentricity out.  I'd played with it.  Maximized the resolution to see how the software exrtapolated/guessed to fill in the new cells.  Gained the cells and resaved the file without first changing back. 

Fortunately I had a backup of the original file for the map I was looking at and all the others I have except for one.  Didn't have for one of the Road Glide maps (do now though).  And it just happened to be the map for the bike in its current trim.

That might have been a mild annoyance some day later on if you'd not have pointed out.  Thanks.

[Godeater]

LOL all to funny.  PC V works perfectly on older Delphi bikes.  I have mapped 25 to 30 so far.  No issues.  Dynojet is supporting Fuel-Moto retro fitting these on older bikes.  PC V also adds a 15% throttle column.  Which is useful to say the least.  Can you import a PCIII map into a PC V, no. So either custom map or try canned map. (good luck).  They are smaller and seem less likely to have water issues.  Much easier to install on softails.  Tuning Link (Mapping software) is still beta and needs some work.