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Re: Paint Problems 2006
« Reply #1215 on: November 28, 2006, 04:32:24 PM »

Well, took the bike in this weekend and left it to get my SE 6 speed installed, showed theservice manager the chip on the saddle bag lid, he said he would order a new lid. and that my brothers is the last original painted part on this bike..... all others except lids replaced because of milkyness...... left bag lid replaced because of scratches do to intercome connector and now right lid being replaced because of paint chipping, (not sticking to primer).  custom paint??????? [smiley=nixweiss.gif]
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Re: Paint Problems 2006
« Reply #1216 on: November 29, 2006, 11:43:40 AM »

Im being kept in limbo here, ....I guess once again its not my buisness wHat the answer is from the rep, I keep calling and asking. Maybe they have to have a corporate board meeting on each bike and each set of new tins when customer not happy??, I can really see the crimson in twincams fairing and fender, trust me, mines much different. Just got my registration tags for the next year.....one year later almost and still fighting for a decent paint job.
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Re: Paint Problems 2006
« Reply #1217 on: November 29, 2006, 08:04:09 PM »

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Just got back from meeting with the Rep...I dont have an answer, and in my opinion, it didnt go very well. I butted heads with him from the moment he said I put scratches on it using a virgin micro fibre rag.........even though the old lids dont really have 2% of the amount of scratches on them as the new lower bag right next to it, nor are they anywhere near as deep ....and I've been microfibre-ing those lids for 11 months now.  I think I know where this is going to go.......


I'll hear from MoCo he said, with their decision. I'm, not going to say anymore here, Im going to give this guy the benefit of the doubt, I will let you all know what the outcome is, I requested Autumm haze parts to be sent next time, or a complete set of tins that I can have painted myself, or my least favorite choice, send the correct color, but better quaility. Which I dont think will happen.

I will when the decision is made, [highlight]'Quote' this post [/highlight]here and finish the details of this day and some of the things that were said or 'discussed'  btw....dont't believe everything you read on the internet.......this was one of the topics discussed regarding the rest of you with bad paint that I have heard of or met personally.....learn something new everyday.


OK, Got my answer from MoCo and John Selensky today, and I said I'd quote this post when I did, what I wanted to say about this day with the rep that I left out hopeing that it would not interfere with his decision making....The rep was a total f**king d$$k to me, on first look at the bike, he said that I must of put the scratches in the paint with a micro fibre rag, he was rude, and combative, he got in my face when I brought up the fact that he was the same Rep who shot down the original set of parts at Drons, he said he was well aware of that fact and asked if I was going to stop with the atitude so he could do his inspection, , I leaned down  got even closer right back in his face, and said I didnt appreciate how un-profesional he was acting , and are YOU going to stop sir?. He stomped away telling the service manager to plull the bike inside, turned and asked me if I wanted him to not do this this inspection?. I told him him to do whatever he felt he had too, that I'll just call wisconsin again if he didnt want to do his job, just like the first time. we are all walking into the shop and he tells me like he is my father telling his son who just giot caught for shop lifting or smoking weed...."he goes, YOU. stay out THERe!! ", no worries I said, so i staed outside...he then looked at ,me standing there, and said to someone clsoe the door on him . Most uncalled for, like I said, a total un-profesional representive of a company. He instagated the situation, and was trying to make me look bad to the workers there, by challenging me face to face like that, big man, Im not a small guy, he is, I bet he thinks he made himself looked like a badas is all I can think. And yes, hes was lucky that I did not push him away from me , or pop him in the nose by the line he crossed. I know when I am being baited. so anyway, after inspection, he came out, we both apoligized for earlier 'problems'....me feeling like a f in kissass, but what can I do. He fully admited that he got some pictures of the problems. so I asked him, so you se what I am talking about then?, he said "oh yes" so i made sure he looked again at the fairing and the flake issue, he said I got that, and then pointed out the primer spots bleeding thru the and the unpainted edge on the fairing", he said "oh, good thing you pointed these out to me", and then more pics. He said, that he would send his report to MoCo, and his findings, he said thet I would hear from them as it is THEIR decision.....we shook hands and he left. I had the feeling that even though he and I had a personality clash from the minute we met, and the friction was obvious and mutual, that with what he said, and THE OBVIOUS problems with the paint, all would be well eventually here, but in the back of my mind.......

Now lets get to the phone call today from John Selensky. John said that Vern the rep, should have told me right then and there, as it is totally his call on the paint, so he asummed I already knew. Verns decision was ...that I put the sanding scratches in the paint with a rag.  Also, John said, I accepted the parts before they went on the bike, even though I didnt see but 3 of them, and the fairing box was only opened and the the paper and bubble wrap was only pulled back enough to expose only a small area of it. So Vern's decision is, No new parts will be replaced on this bike period. So I asked John, ok, lets assume I wiped down the bike with my micro fibre rag, and did actually scratch the new parts....what about the mising crimson flakes in the fairing and Fender?, what about the primer bleed thru, the un-painted edge on the fairing?, the blochy spots of flake on the tank like the spray gun got clogged and then unclogged itself causing it to spit out a bunch of flake on one spot?, did my micro fibre rag do this too??. What about the fact that the old Lids and the old inner fairing, back fender , dont have any visable to the naked eye scratces like this on them even though they have been on the bike for 11 months in my care??? All John could say was I would not be geting any more new parts and that decision is final.

   I feel so frickin takin, the rep is a flat out liar, he lies to the customer str8 faced, and Im pretty sure since he had major attitude, and I went over his head one time to get his decision overturned, this is truelly personal. San Ramon HD has been great, I feel like they cant get in the middle of this, I cant really say what they think here. But unless they are lieing to me also, The parts dont look acceptable to them either in my opinion, but the rep is the one who get s to make the call.
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Re: Paint Problems 2006
« Reply #1218 on: November 29, 2006, 08:27:50 PM »

 mike, that just blows big time , sorry to hear they are trying to give you the shaft!!!! [smiley=soapbox.gif] also sounds like the rep has a bad case of small penis syndrom!!!! >:(
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« Reply #1219 on: November 29, 2006, 08:32:06 PM »

lol, I maxed out the 600 character limit.....truelly cant believe that MoCo would treat customers like this. The rep must get some kind of bonus for his decsion's.
The 2 year waranty on my bike is voided now that this rep says so??? These parts are worse than the originals, the only thing they have going for them, is they are black. they still dont match each other. Listen, if Willie G. saw the bike and knew the story behind this REP and the bike, Im pretty sure he'd fire this sob. Dont think for a minute that I am done by a long shot, Ill spend 50k to get this 8k problem fixed if I have to. I dont mean paying MoCo to do it, or having the parts painted myself. Trust me, I NEVER buy anything from MoCO again. after market, and this is last bike for me. Ill save thousands in gifts around x-mas, and birthdays etc. There, now their stock will climb at .0009 percent less this quarter.
 Better Buisnes Buruea, Consumer affairs, and legal all I can do now. This really sucks.
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« Reply #1220 on: November 29, 2006, 09:02:37 PM »

Any of you experts know anything about this??, and if my paint issue on a motorcycle will fall under this ???

www.californialemonlaw.com
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Re: Paint Problems 2006
« Reply #1221 on: November 29, 2006, 10:22:11 PM »

Mike...
Makes me sick to my gut to read this as any one of us could be next.  >:( How can any person with a brain believe you'd intentionally ruin a good paint set and put yourself through all this to get another??) They're gonna fu*k with the wrong stressed out person with no restraint someday and ......
Gotta be a way to get in touch with someone at the MOCO who gives a rat's a$$ about the CVO customer (maybe a certified letter or telegram to Willie G or the CEO). Maybe spend some time in front of Dron's with a sign about HD and bad faith warranty, etc. Give 'em some free advertising  ;) Maybe a letter from an attorney to HD legal? Press releases and pics to biker mags and appropriate federal offices .. etc, etc.
Good luck!
BTW, I heard a rumor someone bought Indian and they will be building bikes again.
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Re: Paint Problems 2006
« Reply #1222 on: November 29, 2006, 10:31:58 PM »

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Any of you experts know anything about this??, and if my paint issue on a motorcycle will fall under this ???

www.californialemonlaw.com
Mike,

I'm not an expert, but paint defects can fall under the Lemon Law if the defect "substantially impairs the use, [highlight]value[/highlight], or safety of the vehicle".  The California law also covers "recreational vehicles" as well as cars and trucks, so I assume that would include motorcycles.  

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Re: Paint Problems 2006
« Reply #1223 on: November 29, 2006, 10:34:19 PM »

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Any of you experts know anything about this??, and if my paint issue on a motorcycle will fall under this ???

www.californialemonlaw.com

Not sure about California, but Washington would not cover a paint issue as long as a repair was offered or attempted.  I would imagine California would be similar.  I'll try and look through it unless someone else already knows the answer.

Sorry you are having to deal with all of this Mike.

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« Reply #1224 on: November 29, 2006, 10:37:03 PM »

Bottom line here, the rep flat out lied to me, he said he was able to get some good pics of the problems, and TOLD me that there is difently flaws here, (man I wish I had a tape recorder on me), but that its still MoCo call. But MoCo said he should of told me right then and there, and that what The rep told them was that the paint didnt warrant replacing as I caused the damage with the micro fibre rags I use.........and that its the Reps call on the replacement.
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Re: Paint Problems 2006
« Reply #1225 on: November 29, 2006, 10:39:39 PM »

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Bottom line here, the rep flat out lied to me, he said he was able to get some good pics of the problems, and TOLD me that there is difently flaws here, (man I wish I had a tape recorder on me), but that its still MoCo call. But MoCo said he should of told me right then and there, and that what The rep told them was that the paint didnt warrant replacing as I caused the damage with the micro fibre rags I use.........and that its the Reps call on the replacement.

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Re: Paint Problems 2006
« Reply #1226 on: November 29, 2006, 10:54:50 PM »

 
Wow, this story is unbelievable! [smiley=shocked2.gif]  It's not surprising that this would queer you on H-D forever.  I don't know how you kept from punching this Vern chithead's lights out! [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

I think the BBB is a figurehead organization from my dealings with it.  They don't seem to have much (any?) power in resolving issues between consumer and business.  It seems like legal action is the only recourse at this point.

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Re: Paint Problems 2006
« Reply #1227 on: November 29, 2006, 11:06:47 PM »

........another thing that is kind of baffling, the dealership says that  they never heard from anyone yet on this, only from me. Not the rep, and not MoCo. The first time around , this same rep told Drons service manager that he wasnt replacing the paint, and I knew that same day from the service manager. Why is this time different??, Isnt this how everyone elses dealings with the reps has gone, a decision is made on the spot?, and they tell the dealership right then and there?? man, I dont mean to keep whining on and on, I cant tell you how pissed I am right now, ...maybe time to just go get drunk Sorry, Ill take a few days break from posting. ,
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« Reply #1228 on: November 29, 2006, 11:16:17 PM »

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........another thing that is kind of baffling, the dealership says that  they never heard from anyone yet on this, only from me. Not the rep, and not MoCo. The first time around , this same rep told Drons service manager that he wasnt replacing the paint, and I knew that same day from the service manager. Why is this time different??, Isnt this how everyone elses dealings with the reps has gone, a decision is made on the spot?, and they tell the dealership right then and there?? man, I dont mean to keep whining on and on, I cant tell you how pissed I am right now, ...maybe time to just go get drunk [highlight]Sorry, Ill take a few days break from posting[/highlight]. ,

One of the things I like (and there's a lot I like) about this site is it's a good place to vent. Sometimes it helps us think things through. Keep posting ... nothing you're doing here to be sorry about. ;)
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Re: Paint Problems 2006
« Reply #1229 on: November 30, 2006, 01:25:26 AM »

OK< after half a bottle of 30 year old scotch (Came from Nicholas Cage, I worked on his house in Frisco last year). I went thru this thread while drinking and made a list of everyone that has stated they have an issue with their paint, either Black Crimson or The '06 Green, theres 34 of us including me, Id like to make a New thread that gets posted up with this one at the top and stays at the top, that is only for who has the problem, and who has been fixed so far...nothing more, this threads just getting way too long to add something like this. Id be glad to list everyone on one post who has the problem with a checkmark next to the names of thos ewho were satsified with the new parts. Any moderators care to help me out with this??,.  Id like to be able to add or subtract names if any one wishes not to be on the list, or I missed, or any new people that show up here. OR EVEN BETTER since I am not the best speller etc.. if a Moderator would post and up date the List for us as it changes??????? no comments etc. allowed on this the new thread. Please PM me someone.
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