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Re: THE FIX for SERG seat issues
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2009, 01:29:42 AM »

I agree, the seat repositioning is only a bandaid, not a true fix.

But as long as we're all living with this problem right now, except those that have gone elsewhere for a new seat, this may be a satisfactory bandaid.

I read the posts about the "other" rear seat bracket.  I took out the rear hold down bolt and then repositioned the seat as forward as far as I could; this was about 1".  I took off the original chrome bracket and measure it.  It's made from 11 gauge steel chrome plated.  After measuring the piece I opened up AutoCAD and drew up a replacement with about a 1" longer point to the rear bolt hole.

While at work yesterday I went to the machine shop foreman with my AutoCAD drawn seat bracket in .dxf on a floppy disc.  He loaded it into our Omax water jet and in just a couple minutes we were cutting 11 gauge stainless steel to the new longer dimensions.



This is what it looked like out of the water jet.




After using my little vise powered press brake from Harbor Freight, this is the new bracket with the old one along side for comparison.




This is the NEW bracket installed with the extra 1" forward relocation.  I didn't spend a lot of time polishing the whole bracket, just the edges and the part that showed behind the seat.  As you can see from the picture, it looks like chrome and will never rust, AND it's stronger than the original stamped steel bracket; not that strength is an issue here.




This is what the seat looks like now with the new bracket installed.  Before the new bracket, the seat was about 1/2" from the bottom of the console and looked very bad.  Shame on HD for such a lousy bit of design engineering.

I have just over 800 miles on the bike and I weigh in at about #275.  The seat at the very first looked great, in the show room.  After I rode a bit it was way back while riding and would eventually go back to the console.  After a couple weeks of riding it has found a new "home" position that was not to my liking.  As all the others, it left that lovely gap showing without anyone on the bike.  Right now when I sit on the seat it pulls just a bit from the console but goes back when I get off the seat.  I hope that the seat will not wander any further now that's it's kind of broken in.

I showed my wife how the '08 Sundowner seat fits the bike and it want WAY up the console about 1" and when I sat on the seat and bounced up and down it didn't even budge a fraction.  

Again, this is not rocket science HD, make the seat fit and lets all move on.

I agree that this is not our problem, even for the guys that have bought replacement seats, we all need to stick together and demand that this be addressed.  Then afterwards if you want to use another more comfortable seat, do so.  BUT HD needs to make this right for us.

At my 1000 first service I'm going to get with my NEW dealership and do a bit of complaining.  I don't think they've sold all that many of the SERG's this years, so this could be relatively new to them.  But being a new problem they may fight more for me, who knows at this juncture.

But for you guys that are looking for a temp solution and don't care that the bracket is black, the longer Heritage bracket may be an answer.

Just thought I'd show you guys what I've done as it may be very close to what the Heritage bracket looks like.

 :)  :)  :)

Dan, If you have the Autocad file, are you willing to share? I have a buddy at a local fab shop that will do the work for me... I'd like to make his job easier ....
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Re: THE FIX for SERG seat issues
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2009, 06:01:30 PM »

Dan, If you have the Autocad file, are you willing to share? I have a buddy at a local fab shop that will do the work for me... I'd like to make his job easier ....

Send me an e-mail at: danjlockwood@charter.net and I'll forward both .dwg and .dxf formats.  It's a small file and not much to it.

Water jetting it is not a problem, but if you're going to machine it, that not going to be as easy.

 :)  :)  :)
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Re: THE FIX for SERG seat issues
« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2009, 02:25:34 PM »

I'm working for a transport and warehouse company with about
85 trucks and we have our one wrecking crew. I show them the
part this morning and now I mounted it. The saddle is more tighten
to the tank, than before and now no wire is shining when I sit
on my SERG.

thanks for the tip, Bandit

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Re: THE FIX for SERG seat issues
« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2009, 03:00:17 PM »

Send me an e-mail at: danjlockwood@charter.net and I'll forward both .dwg and .dxf formats.  It's a small file and not much to it.

Water jetting it is not a problem, but if you're going to machine it, that not going to be as easy.

 :)  :)  :)

Thanks Dan, Email sent... look for a ___________@hawaii.rr.com address, that'll be mine
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Re: THE FIX for SERG seat issues
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2009, 11:58:46 AM »

Looking at this problem, it may not be as complicated as we all think... I'm gonna try something on my day off and see how it looks when I'm done.

I did notice the tab for the rear hold down was not straight in line with the seat.

I also noted that I was never able to detatch the front tab from the seat by pulling up.

Part of the problem is no doubt how far away from the dash the actual pan sits...  I believe the other part of the problem is in the covering... I'll adress it and see what it looks like when I'm done...

Now... where's my staple gun?
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Re: THE FIX for SERG seat issues
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2009, 12:11:24 PM »

Looking at this problem, it may not be as complicated as we all think... I'm gonna try something on my day off and see how it looks when I'm done.

I did notice the tab for the rear hold down was not straight in line with the seat.

I also noted that I was never able to detatch the front tab from the seat by pulling up.

Part of the problem is no doubt how far away from the dash the actual pan sits...  I believe the other part of the problem is in the covering... I'll adress it and see what it looks like when I'm done...

Now... where's my staple gun?

I did not have to pull up on the seat to get it to detach from the front tab. All i had to do was ride it.
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Re: THE FIX for SERG seat issues
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2009, 12:14:05 PM »

I did not have to pull up on the seat to get it to detach from the front tab. All i had to do was ride it.

10K miles and it never came loose.... even with my fat ass on the seat.
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Re: THE FIX for SERG seat issues
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2009, 01:28:03 PM »

Looking at this problem, it may not be as complicated as we all think... I'm gonna try something on my day off and see how it looks when I'm done.

I did notice the tab for the rear hold down was not straight in line with the seat.

I also noted that I was never able to detatch the front tab from the seat by pulling up.

Part of the problem is no doubt how far away from the dash the actual pan sits...  I believe the other part of the problem is in the covering... I'll adress it and see what it looks like when I'm done...

Now... where's my staple gun?
Your Correct Thanks to 2009's post its a simple fix, I took a 1in stainless plate a vise and my grinder and wacked out a longer bracket, fits like a glove and has eliminated the gap at the front. I may polish it up, but it is not really noticeable.
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Re: THE FIX for SERG seat issues
« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2009, 07:09:24 PM »

Some other options.  The tank bra doesn't move the seat, but I really don't like it.  Argghhh!  The bra is designed for the short consoles.
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Re: THE FIX for SERG seat issues
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2009, 07:16:12 PM »

Here's a 105th Anniversary RK seat.  Moves your position forward about 1 1/4".  Still a low seat.  It has a much wider saddle.  But, the RK medallions lightly interfere with opening the bags.
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Re: THE FIX for SERG seat issues
« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2009, 07:20:06 PM »

Here's an 08 or 09 EG Standard.  Elevates you a bit and moves you forward over two inches.  Not really a SSERG seat in my view.  But, it is for sale.
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Re: THE FIX for SERG seat issues
« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2009, 05:07:10 AM »

Time to post my results. I'll take a longer testride after
I have done some work, but already more satisfied than
before.

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Re: THE FIX for SERG seat issues
« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2009, 05:08:13 AM »

I know I have to do some cleaning, but yesterday
it ended up in the rain again.

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Re: THE FIX for SERG seat issues
« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2009, 05:09:38 AM »

now sitting on it.

Thanks to everyone, who contributed to it!!!

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Re: THE FIX for SERG seat issues
« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2009, 03:44:28 AM »

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UPDATE on my seat mods...

I removed the seat and found the tongue area to be rather loose (I know what we all think about loose tongues) but... I removed the staples... folded the cover back...

The foam is "supposed" to saddle the pan... It seems the cover was too loose allowing it to slide off the saddle... there is even a retaining strap in the foam.. but that was loose as well.

I'm going to try and re-staple the cover... and see how that goes, along with modifying the rear bracket for about a 1/2" more forward reach... It looks like Dan Lockwoods version may be too long for my bike. Will let you all know!

BTW, the center insert of the seat IS leather... Hence the leather dressing included with the bike...

More to come in a bit.. gotta run to the hardware store...

FROM the other seat thread...
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