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Dunlop 408 Tires
« on: August 19, 2009, 11:00:18 AM »

Anyone have better luck with these new tires? I am ready to go through my second set of Dunlop 407 Tires. Originally the bike had the Elite 3 tire on the front, but HD couldn't get it anymore, so I stuck 407's on it. I only got 9,000 on the back and 10,000 on the front. :o
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Re: Dunlop 408 Tires
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2009, 11:23:37 AM »

Anyone have better luck with these new tires? I am ready to go through my second set of Dunlop 407 Tires. Originally the bike had the Elite 3 tire on the front, but HD couldn't get it anymore, so I stuck 407's on it. I only got 9,000 on the back and 10,000 on the front. :o

Sorry man, no D408 Radial made for our SERK's! D 407 is the only Dunlop rear, and the Dunlop D407 or E3 is the only front. Metzler ME880's are also made in our size. AND THAT'S IT!!! No other tire choices! ;)

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Re: Dunlop 408 Tires
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2009, 05:37:00 PM »

Thanks for the heads up "Hoist"! Looks like they have us by the go-nads. I heard them Metzlers were no better than the Dunlops. :soapbox:
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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2009, 05:46:41 PM »

Thanks for the heads up "Hoist"! Looks like they have us by the go-nads. I heard them Metzlers were no better than the Dunlops. :soapbox:

I'm going on a trip with them next week. At first I wasn't impressed with the ME880's. But as I got some miles on em, they seemed a lil better. Jeff found the same thing. So I left em on and am starting to get used to em. I was gonna take em off, and put the Dunlops back on at first. So let's see how they do now that they're broken in and seem to ride OK. And let's see what kinda mileage I get out of em too. I wasn't getting more that 6K or so out of the stock rear Dunlop, and 8-10K outta the front! If the tire mileage gets better, the Metzlers stay. If worse, the Dunlops go back on. If the same, we'll I guess I have a decision to make. Jury's still out on those Metzler ME880 Radials for our SERK3/4's! ;)

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Re: Dunlop 408 Tires
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2009, 09:30:57 PM »

I'm going on a trip with them next week. At first I wasn't impressed with the ME880's. But as I got some miles on em, they seemed a lil better. Jeff found the same thing. So I left em on and am starting to get used to em. I was gonna take em off, and put the Dunlops back on at first. So let's see how they do now that they're broken in and seem to ride OK. And let's see what kinda mileage I get out of em too. I wasn't getting more that 6K or so out of the stock rear Dunlop, and 8-10K outta the front! If the tire mileage gets better, the Metzlers stay. If worse, the Dunlops go back on. If the same, we'll I guess I have a decision to make. Jury's still out on those Metzler ME880 Radials for our SERK3/4's! ;)

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Re: Dunlop 408 Tires
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2009, 07:28:33 AM »

I got the 408 on my front now with 4k on them, look fine, no cupping.
I got  13.5K out of the 407 front and rear. best tire i've ever run, wow, thats a big statement
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Re: Dunlop 408 Tires
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2009, 09:23:43 AM »

I got the 408 on my front now with 4k on them, look fine, no cupping.
I got  13.5K out of the 407 front and rear. best tire i've ever run, wow, thats a big statement

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Are the tires on the SERG's radial or bias?

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Re: Dunlop 408 Tires
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2009, 12:05:55 PM »

LarryB

Are the tires on the SERG's radial or bias?

JW

Bias Jeff! You don't think I haven't looked into ALL aspects of this, do ya?! No Bias Ply available for our bikes either. Out only alternate option to the Dunlop or Metzler radials we already know about, is to CHANGE WHEELS and WHEEL SIZES to get a more readily available tire choice! Nor prepared to do that yet! :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: ;)

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Re: Dunlop 408 Tires
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2009, 03:05:01 PM »

Bias Jeff! You don't think I haven't looked into ALL aspects of this, do ya?! No Bias Ply available for our bikes either. Out only alternate option to the Dunlop or Metzler radials we already know about, is to CHANGE WHEELS and WHEEL SIZES to get a more readily available tire choice! Nor prepared to do that yet! :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: ;)

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I assumed the 407's on the SERGs and CUSE were radials. My bad!  :nixweiss:

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Re: Dunlop 408 Tires
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2009, 04:38:09 PM »

....And let's see what kinda mileage I get out of em too.... If the tire mileage gets better, the Metzlers stay. If worse, the Dunlops go back on....

Hey, Hoist!

ME880's are a softer compound than the Dunlops. This makes them stickier in the corners and when braking, but they tend to wear out a bit faster.

Also, did you put Metzeler radials on the bike? There is a lot of discussion in the motorcycling world about bias-ply vs. radials. From what I understand, it boils down to a design issue. If the bike was designed for a bias-ply tire, don't put radials on it. Has to do with how the bike is designed to handle and radical differences in the handling characteristics between radials and bias-ply tires.

I had an experience with the SERG that reinforced this for me.

The original front D407 on my SERG was so badly cupped after 5000 miles that I didn't feel safe any more. The dealer didn't have another D407 and the D408 was back-ordered. "Besides," they said, "Harley is not w-tying that tire anyway."

So, I ordered a set of Avon Cobras in the appropriate size. The Cobras are a steel-belted radial. The rear was a 180/55-18 79V and the front was a 130/70-18 63H. So, the load rating (963 lbs rear; 600 lbs front) should have been up to two-up touring and the speed rating (V=149 mph rear; H=130 mph front) should have been just fine.

When the tires arrived, I had them mounted and off I went. WOW! MUCH quieter than the D407. Nice, soft ride, too! I put about 1600 miles on the tires before we left for Sturgis and was very, very happy up to the point.

The first day of our Sturgis trip, we traveled 680 miles from Middle Tennessee to St. Joseph, MO. Between the Traxxion Dynamics AK-20's, the Bitubo shocks and the new tires, my girlfriend was loving the nice, smooth, easy ride. No more bone-jarring bumps. However, as the day wore on, I noticed that the bike seemed to become less stable in corners on the highway. When we stopped for the night and I pulled the bike into the parking space -- still loaded down with luggage, bug sans the girl -- I noticed that the back of the bike wiggled a little as I brought it to a stop and got off.

Being that I was exhausted from 12+ hours of riding that day, I chalked it up to exhaustion-heightened senses and thought no more about it... until the next morning.

As I backed the SERG out of the parking space to leave for breakfast, another rider called from across the parking lot and pointed out that my rear tire was almost flat!

I eased the bike across the street (without the girl) and aired up the tire to 42 lbs, the max pressure for the Cobra. In 15 minutes, it had lost 1-2 lbs of pressure -- a slow leak. We decided to go straight to St. Joe H-D and get a mechanics opinion on what to do.

To make a short story long, the rear tire was beginning to disintegrate at the edges of the tread. Three were cracks 1.5" - 2" long running across the bead of the tire on the edge of the tread on both sides. These cracks were present around the entire perimeter of the tire tread. The air leakage was through these small cracks. The mechanic said we might make another 10 miles and we might make another 100 miles, but we weren't going to make the rest of our trip to Sturgis and back (2500 more miles).

I had the dealer mount a brand new D407 200/50-18 rear and 130/70-18 front and ship the Cobras back to my house.

We were in the right place at the right time. St. Joe Harley put us up front in the service line because we were traveling. The new 200-series D407 was delivered by UPS that morning. In fact, the UPS truck was backed up to the dealership when we arrived a few minutes before they opened.

I have spoken with Avon. They have asked me to have a professional mechanic examine the tire and call them with his findings. They have stated that they will most likely warranty the tire.

Since I have a brand new 130/70-18 front Cobra sitting in the garage, I guess I'll have a brand new set of Avon Cobra's for sale once I get this taken care of.
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Re: Dunlop 408 Tires
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2009, 04:40:30 PM »

I got the 408 on my front now with 4k on them, look fine, no cupping.
I got  13.5K out of the 407 front and rear. best tire i've ever run, wow, thats a big statement

My 407 on the rear was cupping at 5900 miles.  Dealer couldn't get a Dunlop (backordered) so I had them install an Avon.  Looks like it will move a lot of water.  I only have a couple hundred miles on it, but so far so good.
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Re: Dunlop 408 Tires
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2009, 04:58:27 PM »

the original 407F although was cupping, still performed ok. some noise, but I like noise. still grabbed the corners fine.
Rick, the ME880 is no softer than the outboard sides of the the 407/408. that was the new design, dual compound. I'm staying with these Dunlops. ordered another set to have on hand.
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Re: Dunlop 408 Tires
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2009, 05:29:43 PM »

Hey, Hoist!

ME880's are a softer compound than the Dunlops. This makes them stickier in the corners and when braking, but they tend to wear out a bit faster.

Also, did you put Metzeler radials on the bike? There is a lot of discussion in the motorcycling world about bias-ply vs. radials. From what I understand, it boils down to a design issue. If the bike was designed for a bias-ply tire, don't put radials on it. Has to do with how the bike is designed to handle and radical differences in the handling characteristics between radials and bias-ply tires.

I had an experience with the SERG that reinforced this for me.

The original front D407 on my SERG was so badly cupped after 5000 miles that I didn't feel safe any more. The dealer didn't have another D407 and the D408 was back-ordered. "Besides," they said, "Harley is not w-tying that tire anyway."

So, I ordered a set of Avon Cobras in the appropriate size. The Cobras are a steel-belted radial. The rear was a 180/55-18 79V and the front was a 130/70-18 63H. So, the load rating (963 lbs rear; 600 lbs front) should have been up to two-up touring and the speed rating (V=149 mph rear; H=130 mph front) should have been just fine.

When the tires arrived, I had them mounted and off I went. WOW! MUCH quieter than the D407. Nice, soft ride, too! I put about 1600 miles on the tires before we left for Sturgis and was very, very happy up to the point.

The first day of our Sturgis trip, we traveled 680 miles from Middle Tennessee to St. Joseph, MO. Between the Traxxion Dynamics AK-20's, the Bitubo shocks and the new tires, my girlfriend was loving the nice, smooth, easy ride. No more bone-jarring bumps. However, as the day wore on, I noticed that the bike seemed to become less stable in corners on the highway. When we stopped for the night and I pulled the bike into the parking space -- still loaded down with luggage, bug sans the girl -- I noticed that the back of the bike wiggled a little as I brought it to a stop and got off.

Being that I was exhausted from 12+ hours of riding that day, I chalked it up to exhaustion-heightened senses and thought no more about it... until the next morning.

As I backed the SERG out of the parking space to leave for breakfast, another rider called from across the parking lot and pointed out that my rear tire was almost flat!

I eased the bike across the street (without the girl) and aired up the tire to 42 lbs, the max pressure for the Cobra. In 15 minutes, it had lost 1-2 lbs of pressure -- a slow leak. We decided to go straight to St. Joe H-D and get a mechanics opinion on what to do.

To make a short story long, the rear tire was beginning to disintegrate at the edges of the tread. Three were cracks 1.5" - 2" long running across the bead of the tire on the edge of the tread on both sides. These cracks were present around the entire perimeter of the tire tread. The air leakage was through these small cracks. The mechanic said we might make another 10 miles and we might make another 100 miles, but we weren't going to make the rest of our trip to Sturgis and back (2500 more miles).

I had the dealer mount a brand new D407 200/50-18 rear and 130/70-18 front and ship the Cobras back to my house.

We were in the right place at the right time. St. Joe Harley put us up front in the service line because we were traveling. The new 200-series D407 was delivered by UPS that morning. In fact, the UPS truck was backed up to the dealership when we arrived a few minutes before they opened.

I have spoken with Avon. They have asked me to have a professional mechanic examine the tire and call them with his findings. They have stated that they will most likely warranty the tire.

Since I have a brand new 130/70-18 front Cobra sitting in the garage, I guess I'll have a brand new set of Avon Cobra's for sale once I get this taken care of.

HeHe!!! Hey Larry! The SERK3/4's came with radial tires from the MoCo. The ONLY FLH/T to be designed around them. The ME880's I'm using are the radials of the EXACT size AND weight rating as the Dunlops are. The SERK uses the same size front as your bike. But the rear is different. There is no bias ply tire made in our rear size (170/60R-17, 78 weight rating. I referenced and cross-referenced this thing til the cows come home. Bottom line, there are little to no options for us SERK guys, unless we want to change wheels. You can refer to all the details about SERK tires here: Finally, Weight Rated ME 880 Radials For Our SERKS! ;)

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Re: Dunlop 408 Tires
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2009, 07:08:25 PM »

Hey, Hoist!

ME880's are a softer compound than the Dunlops. This makes them stickier in the corners and when braking, but they tend to wear out a bit faster.

Also, did you put Metzeler radials on the bike? There is a lot of discussion in the motorcycling world about bias-ply vs. radials. From what I understand, it boils down to a design issue. If the bike was designed for a bias-ply tire, don't put radials on it. Has to do with how the bike is designed to handle and radical differences in the handling characteristics between radials and bias-ply tires....



Hi RickC

I have the ME 880 mounted on my 08 SERK. I was not at all happy with them for the 1st 500 miles. However, they seem to be "broken in" so to speak now. The front no longer floats in the corners. The vibration from the road is not transmitted thru my handlebars as during the 1st 500 miles.

My guy does not think the ME 880 will get any better mileage than the Dunlops. If this turns out to be true, I'll go back to the 407F radials as they were superior to these a bit. If they continue to improve...who knows. Miles will tell the tale.

I am not interested in change wheel size as IMO this package rides great.

My confusion was knowing the front tire on the SERG and SERK was the same size and 407F so I assumed they were both radials. You know what they say about assuming...

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Re: Dunlop 408 Tires
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2009, 07:34:57 PM »

Hi RickC

I have the ME 880 mounted on my 08 SERK. I was not at all happy with them for the 1st 500 miles. However, they seem to be "broken in" so to speak now. The front no longer floats in the corners. The vibration from the road is not transmitted thru my handlebars as during the 1st 500 miles.

My guy does not think the ME 880 will get any better mileage than the Dunlops. If this turns out to be true, I'll go back to the 407F radials as they were superior to these a bit. If they continue to improve...who knows. Miles will tell the tale.

I am not interested in change wheel size as IMO this package rides great.

My confusion was knowing the front tire on the SERG and SERK was the same size and 407F so I assumed they were both radials. You know what they say about assuming...

JW

I agree with everything Jeff said with one exception. I use an E3 (from Dunlop, it's not available from HD) on the front! They don't make an E3 in our size for the rear though! ;)

They don't make a 130/70R-18 F D408! And youze all know damn well this SERK3/4 tire D407 design, is done only for the purpose of you HAVING to go to a dealer to buy your tires!!! FTF!!! FTD!!! >:( >:( >:(

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