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Too Many 2006 H-D's produced?
« on: December 09, 2005, 02:27:41 PM »

Did anyone see the segment on Mad Money with Jim Cramer (6PM EST CNBC) about H-D being overstocked on 06 models and warehousing them around the country to hold prices. Also, the MoCo is experiencing a sales slump this year. Cramer's people called the MoCo but got a "no comment" on the warehousing reports. My point in all this is that (in my opinion)  we may see some sort of major promotional effort on the part of the MoCo before model year end. Anyone buying a new 06 should look into what is happening here and take a more agressive posture in dealing with the salespeople at your local dealership.
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Re: Too Many 2006 H-D's produced?
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2005, 03:37:02 PM »

I agree. Night before last I was at my local dealer for the "customer appreciation" night...band..free food and would you believe...wine and or beer.  Anyway, I counted 57 new bikes..including some Street Glides. Lots of fat tired soft tails too.
This is a newer dealership , having been built in 2001. ..and I've been down there at least once a month since they opened.  I have never seen them with this much inventory on display.
So I walked in back through service and counted 21 new bikes still uncrated.
If I were in the buying mode right now...I would definetly offer at least $1000.00 under MSRP (not for a CVO bike unless it was a V-rod) and if they said "no"  I would walk and tell them to call ME when they wanted to sell.
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Re: Too Many 2006 H-D's produced?
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2005, 04:36:00 PM »

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I agree. Night before last I was at my local dealer for the "customer appreciation" night...band..free food and would you believe...wine and or beer.
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Re: Too Many 2006 H-D's produced?
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2005, 05:21:27 PM »

Well, I thought it was only me, because I'm seeing San Francisco Bay Area dealers with much larger inventories than I'm used to at this time of year.
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Re: Too Many 2006 H-D's produced?
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2005, 10:05:56 AM »

And my understanding is HD made/will make 10,000 fewer bikes(never heard if it was accross the board or just a couple of models) this year than last year to help out with the glut of bikes.  And the CVO bikes are 3 to 6 weeks late depending on model go figure.
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Re: Too Many 2006 H-D's produced?
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2005, 10:35:34 AM »

Yea, and if they're stock piling bikes then why is the CVO so far behind schedule?  I know of three guys waiting for an 06 SEUC and they're all behind schedule.  I've heard from several sources (at the dealerships around here) that it's a "paint" issue that they're trying to catch before they go out to the consumer (unlike in 05)
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Re: Too Many 2006 H-D's produced?
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2005, 10:42:29 AM »

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Re: Too Many 2006 H-D's produced?
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2005, 04:48:33 PM »

I was just searching out the dealers in my area,, and I see 1 of them has an 06 Watermelon on the floor.  It is listed at $1000 over MSRP,, but they are having a SALE on the 15th, 16th, 17th,,,, they are selling there 06 models,, for $1000 below MSRP!   Hmmmm,,  does that mean they have too many on the floor???

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Re: Too Many 2006 H-D's produced?
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2005, 05:06:45 PM »

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I know of 4 (there are quite a few more)dealers within striking distance from my house and each of these dealers that I have personal knowledge of have in excess of 150 bikes each!!!!! You will see a change in the near future. The dealers that are selling bikes are giving you free freight,setup and extended warranty!!!! All I can say is it's about time.

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Re: Too Many 2006 H-D's produced?
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2005, 05:21:04 PM »

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Re: Too Many 2006 H-D's produced?
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2005, 09:20:45 PM »

I agree, too.  Harley can not continue the production increases at the rate that they've had over the past five or six years.  They can't even sustain the current production rate unless a hell of a lot more people take up motorcycling than what ride today or...................they drop the prices dramatically. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]
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Re: Too Many 2006 H-D's produced?
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2005, 09:56:37 PM »

About a year ago, I shut down a secondary business that I was 1/2 partner in. What we were doing is detailing motorcycles. We were actually endorsed by Ron Simms, and had an awesome product. My partner ran the shop, I did the financials. He decided to do something else, because he wasn't preparred for the long haul. I'll NEVER partner again...Anyway, my point is this. I was working on franchising this business. My research took me into all sorts of data, but interestingly, what impacted me was the leaps and bounds that riding was experiencing. Basically, the numbers are growing at near 20% annually, in the USA. Interestingly enough, several countries were seeing a decline. All-in-all, the manufacturers were running at near defficit. That is to say, they couldn't keep up with demand. There weren't a lot of figures for the used arena, as dealers don't want to sell used, and they don't publicize it much. They make all their money in new sales. H-D dealers get this years amount based on last years sales. As soon as there's a "ripple" in the sales numbers, their little house of cards starts crumbling. I believe two factors were strong for the USA's numbers. Baby boomers getting divorced, and finally be able to get a m/c, because the ex wouldn't let them have one B 4 (or Mom), and the fast paced rising fuel costs. If you're lucky to live near the sun belt, you can commute for a fraction. Its ten times more fun, and if you live in California, you can "split lanes" legally, which saves you a whole bunch of time not to mention the adrenelline rush that goes along with it. California alone was seeing NEW registry owners of over 130,000 annually (last 5 yrs), coupled with existing riders, and you can see the staggering amount of dollars the manufacturers are after. The Japanese are agressively after that loyal Harley-Davidson consumer, (H-D sells 1/2; the combined Japanese sells the other 1/2) but together, all of them cannot light a candle to the quality that H-D puts out. My only hope is that Q.C. doesn't suffer in a attempt to keep up with demand. I am actually glad to hear the reports from this membership, concerning the excessive inventories out there. I also do not wish ill to anyone (ecxcept San Jose H-D), because I feel that this industry is ready for re-alignment, like so many of the other industries that have done so already. I have seen a complete turn-around to manufactured US products. I deal in home furnishings of the luxury level. I can attest that the lead times have doubled, and quality is slipping, as the manufacturers try to trim their overhead; run smaller crews; reduce inventory and sell more of a made-to-order basis. Well, we'll see. I wish I was buying a new '06 SE CVO(any one, doesn't matter, just that they are pricey), because I would most certainlly have some fun (a lot!) toying with them. Any sales person who sluffs a potential buyer off, should be discharged immediately. He has not only lost this sale, but as is written above, he's turned that potential customer "off" forever. I strive to keep loyality from my customers, and so far, it has worked. Later to all... N.H.
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Re: Too Many 2006 H-D's produced?
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2005, 10:09:40 PM »

I seem to remember that last year Harley ran a promotion for new bikes purchased around the first of the year.  I can't remember exact details but it was a rebate or something like that.  Does any one remember what that was and do you think there will be another such deal considering what we are talking about in this thread?

On a related note, one dealer told me each of the past 2 years Harley has sent him 20 more bikes than what he requested.  That 40 more bikes in 2 years!!
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Re: Too Many 2006 H-D's produced?
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2005, 10:34:51 PM »

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Basically, the numbers are growing at near 20% annually, in the USA.
I believe two factors were strong for the USA's numbers. Baby boomers getting divorced, and finally be able to get a m/c, because the ex wouldn't let them have one B 4 (or Mom), and the fast paced rising fuel costs.

The real estate boom and lower interest rates had a big push in sales as people could easier afford them.
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Re: Too Many 2006 H-D's produced?
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