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[LarryB]

LarryB

Could you confirm something for me... this may be a dumb question... according to the calibration summary tables, the base map for my Canadian FLHXSE with VH Duals/Klock Werks Revolver Slip-Ons and the OEM Ventilator A/C is EUJ009-01.

This map is an All Market Map that is described as being for a "CVO 1800" (good so far) with an "Air Cleaner and Breather Kit" (OEM Ventilator should qualify as this; yes?) and with "Race Exhaust" (VH + Klock Werks="Race Exhaust??)

Am I thinking right? looking good so far, the differences are so minor, but you got it.

If so... would it also be possible to describe the differences between this map and the original map in the ECU from the factory... and to understand the impact these differences have on the bike like temperature etc??
Now thats a good question, you can describe them all you want but can you look at them and see, NO. the original setting can't be opened in the way you open a map. good thing too, there'd be alot of guys messing with that and loose it, Thats when I get the question, Save what? pretty much seat of pants dyno should tell you what you want. I know the 2010 bikes are easier to tune due to the Lambda.
I got a customer that we tuned his 2010 LTD, he loves the kick in the pants, lower temps and he's getting 42-46 MPG

Nick

[hdnik]

Thank you Larry for the quick response. So far I think i'm getting the steps nailed down in my mind. I won't be able to know if the practical application is as easy as i think until i actually do it but here it goes...

1. Buy TTS-MT, install software and download updates
2. Hook up and save original map to my PC (and make backup copies just in case)
3. Upload new base MT7 file into ECU
4. Say a prayer and Test drive
5. Hook up and strap down PC to data collect
6. Review data and merge and save the two files (somehow... not quite sure yet) to create a new MT7 file.
7. Save that new file (back it up too)
8. Upload that new file into ECU
9. Say another prayer and make an act of contrition... then test drive again.
10 Repeat steps 5 - 9 until fresh data has few or no changes to make.

Thoughts???  

[bf2002flht]

You are right on track. regarding your #6 step, the software asks you if you want to create (modify) the map you are using by the info you gathered during the data gathering ride. a simple click of a button. Just keep doing rides with your laptop and keep modifying the file and you will get really close. I had also taken my lady for a few rides with me for more of a load to cover more data acquisition cells. I then had it dyno tuned and they were amazed how close the bike was on the tune. If I new how close I was without the dyno tune, I might have just spent that money elsewhere. Just take several rides and let the software do its work. I am pretty sure you will be happy. The throttle blade setting is the only one you have to change manually if the tbw throttle response isn't to your liking.

[jkelly3919]

does anyone know if the screamin eagle super tuner will learn like the tss mt? i sm thinking about having the dealer install this because of the warranty, i purschased a 7 year and don't wan't any issues down the road.
thanks jack

[LarryB]

Thank you Larry for the quick response. So far I think i'm getting the steps nailed down in my mind. I won't be able to know if the practical application is as easy as i think until i actually do it but here it goes...

1. Buy TTS-MT, install software and download updates
2. Hook up and save original map to my PC (and make backup copies just in case)
3. Upload new base MT7 file into ECU
4. Say a prayer and Test drive
5. Hook up and strap down PC to data collect
6. Review data and merge and save the two files (somehow... not quite sure yet) to create a new MT7 file.
7. Save that new file (back it up too)
8. Upload that new file into ECU
9. Say another prayer and make an act of contrition... then test drive again.
10 Repeat steps 5 - 9 until fresh data has few or no changes to make.

Thoughts???  

you've studied well grasshopper. one thing I do is, before I actually ride the V-tune, I start it up with fans blowing on the motor, and I do as much vtuning in neutral as the heat can take. this will fill in alot of cells to the right/or decel. I vary the throttle till they turn green.then I add that to my Vtune info. ONE thing. DO NOT turn off the bike until you stop the vtune,
another clue, don't try and load the first map into the bike, do several runs and gather lots of info. for instance, 3krpm on a straight road is not the same as 3krpm on an uphill climb, bigger load=different throttle position. I used my highest #, eats a little more gas.

[hdnik]

you've studied well grasshopper. one thing I do is, before I actually ride the V-tune, I start it up with fans blowing on the motor, and I do as much vtuning in neutral as the heat can take. this will fill in alot of cells to the right/or decel. I vary the throttle till they turn green.then I add that to my Vtune info. ONE thing. DO NOT turn off the bike until you stop the vtune,
another clue, don't try and load the first map into the bike, do several runs and gather lots of info. for instance, 3krpm on a straight road is not the same as 3krpm on an uphill climb, bigger load=different throttle position. I used my highest #, eats a little more gas.

Larry, ("Master")

I'm going to have to read the V-Tune Section closer to understand how the data gets loaded into the map, but i'm sure it's stright forward. Thank you for the tips... I'll figure this thing out.

[Trey767]

where can you buy the TTS Tuner?

[LarryB]

where can you buy the TTS Tuner?

pm me, i can hook you up

[hdnik]

pm me, i can hook you up

Larry... send me a personal message if you like re: price & shipping. If you can get it to Niagara Falls NY before next weekend let me know... I have a US address and am staying in the falls ovr the weekend and can bring it back duty and tax free.

[Big Sky Fan]

I'm currently working on getting some weather proof fans tested for an oil cooler assist fan, along with recommended vendor/part numbers. If they work out as the fan sales guy claims, it looks like overall cost will be $12-$20 bucks for the set. . The fans will fit behind the deluxe oil cooler. This cost is a far cry from the the $65 price tag the Big Sky Fan guy is trying to get from folks. I say 'trying' cause i hope no-one suckers into buying these things for what he ships to you..at that price.    Hold tight, let me test these things and if they work as the fan guy says I'll post the part numbers and a vendor so you all can save some major dollars..    Installation is as easy as pulling four zip ties..  No chit...    BUT,, let me say again... i wont recommend this if they don't help cool down the oil... I plan on doing an before/aft evaluation to find out if they help out cooling and in either case, i intend to post this info..  The current fan sales guy I'm working with requires a bulk purchase BUT has an idea to work around this.. He is working on that end so still waiting to see what comes with this. If anything he will suggest a vendor but cost for each fan will be a couple bucks more.  The basic idea for this fan assist option can be checked out here by an HDForum member back in 2005. http://hdforums.com/forum/touring-models/227209-oil-cooler-fan-redux.html

I don't intend on stealing anyones idea,, just plan on recomending a good all weather fan.. If any of you want to take this idea and go.... go for it.. just let us know what you used for a fan..  

Just for your information. "Quigley" in this link is the owner of Big Sky Fan  http://hdforums.com/forum/touring-models/227209-oil-cooler-fan-redux.html

[Big Sky Fan]

I'm currently working on getting some weather proof fans tested for an oil cooler assist fan, along with recommended vendor/part numbers. If they work out as the fan sales guy claims, it looks like overall cost will be $12-$20 bucks for the set. . The fans will fit behind the deluxe oil cooler. This cost is a far cry from the the $65 price tag the Big Sky Fan guy is trying to get from folks. I say 'trying' cause i hope no-one suckers into buying these things for what he ships to you..at that price.    Hold tight, let me test these things and if they work as the fan guy says I'll post the part numbers and a vendor so you all can save some major dollars..    Installation is as easy as pulling four zip ties..  No chit...    BUT,, let me say again... i wont recommend this if they don't help cool down the oil... I plan on doing an before/aft evaluation to find out if they help out cooling and in either case, i intend to post this info..  The current fan sales guy I'm working with requires a bulk purchase BUT has an idea to work around this.. He is working on that end so still waiting to see what comes with this. If anything he will suggest a vendor but cost for each fan will be a couple bucks more.  The basic idea for this fan assist option can be checked out here by an HDForum member back in 2005. http://hdforums.com/forum/touring-models/227209-oil-cooler-fan-redux.html

I don't intend on stealing anyones idea,, just plan on recomending a good all weather fan.. If any of you want to take this idea and go.... go for it.. just let us know what you used for a fan..  

Hey sportygordy, so where is this fan kit for $12 to $20?

[sobercvo]

This dyno eval is based on the following mods: Python slip ons, Harley race tuner and V&H power duals.

[JCZ]

This dyno eval is based on the following mods: Python slip ons, Harley race tuner and V&H power duals.

Those numbers look pretty nice in MPH.  Do you have a dyno sheet that reflects RPMs?