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[SCRM-R]

Any of you guys with the front end wobble problem tried these triple trees from Custom Cycle Engineering?  I don't know anything about them, but there is a good article in the tech section of the November issue of American Bagger Mag.  Claims to fix the front end wobble on baggers... 
http://www.ccesd.us/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=207&zenid=7e3b7c3459abdc8033192c3a29898ac6

[jfh]

Custom Cycle Engineering has a solid reputation for quality triple trees and fork braces. The additional clamping area provided by their new top tree design should provide some added rigidity to the front end. If that is the cause of your front end wobble, this product should be an effective cure.

If only it was that easy. With further research, I am confident you will discover several other potential causes and an equal number of "fixes" for the ill handling manners of many baggers. In the past I have tried several of the fixes and found them to vary in their effectiveness, but never found a single one to fully remedy the problem.

Since I took possession of my '09 SERG3, I am happy to report that even at triple digit speeds, I have not experienced the slightest hint of a wobble. I can't say for sure whether the stability is attributable to the redesigned frame and motor mounting system, the frame mounted fairing design of the RG, or a combination the two, but I know that it is stable.

Another consideration for me is the additional expense of refitting the required longer fork tubes with my Traxxion Dynamics AK-20 internals. That will easily push the price well over $1k.

I'll be sitting this one out and waiting for others to report their findings on this new kit.

[Twolanerider]

Almost a thousand bucks?  For fork mounts? 

                                                                   

[spydglide]

Almost a thousand bucks?  For fork mounts? 

                                                                   

well......what if they're cool, diamond-cut with matching RED powdercoated inserts.........         har.  spyder

[grc]

Almost a thousand bucks?  For fork mounts? 

                                                                   

$945 for "show chrome tubes", $1045 for "hard chrome tubes".  Never saw a Harley accessory company charge less for "show chrome" before.

In reading the small amount of info available on their site, it appears the change is in the amount of "engagement" of the tubes.  I wasn't aware that there was insufficient engagement with the stock tree's, but I guess if you subscribe to the more or bigger is better theory of mechanical engineering it might make sense.  I don't see anything about changing rake or trail, which is one of the big contributors to front end stability problems.  I also don't see anything that would eliminate the aerodynamic issues presented by the batwing.  So for roughly $1000 you get maybe a slightly more rigid connection between the fork tubes and the trees.  What about the long stretch between the bottom tree and the axle, don't suppose that will flex just as much as usual?

It's amazing to me how so many people have made a living off selling "fixes", real or imagined, for the various shortcomings of H-D's products over the years.  H-D probably should receive an award or two for all they have done to help create new business opportunities and jobs.

Jerry

[Twolanerider]

$945 for "show chrome tubes", $1045 for "hard chrome tubes".  Never saw a Harley accessory company charge less for "show chrome" before.

In reading the small amount of info available on their site, it appears the change is in the amount of "engagement" of the tubes.  I wasn't aware that there was insufficient engagement with the stock tree's, but I guess if you subscribe to the more or bigger is better theory of mechanical engineering it might make sense.  I don't see anything about changing rake or trail, which is one of the big contributors to front end stability problems.  I also don't see anything that would eliminate the aerodynamic issues presented by the batwing.  So for roughly $1000 you get maybe a slightly more rigid connection between the fork tubes and the trees.  What about the long stretch between the bottom tree and the axle, don't suppose that will flex just as much as usual?

It's amazing to me how so many people have made a living off selling "fixes", real or imagined, for the various shortcomings of H-D's products over the years.  H-D probably should receive an award or two for all they have done to help create new business opportunities and jobs.

Jerry

Too true Jerry.  Another nominee for the Nobel Prize for Advertising.  Unless you can make manufacture a distinction to the difference you can't sell the product.  Even to Harley owners.

[Trapperdog]

We use steering dampers such as these on the dirt bikes for scrambles, desert, etc. Works great on the dirt bikes, but an ugly addition for the street.  Two different street kits below.

[moscooter]

 
" I am happy to report that even at triple digit speeds, I have not experienced the slightest hint of a wobble.".........I haven't seen any high-speed wobble either,  but at crawl type speeds,  10mph or less,  I've noticed some front-end wobble that I cannot identify.  Will be having the dealer check out Service bulletin M-1246 on mine......(about 2009 Touring steering head bearing adjustment).

[Hoist!]

We use steering dampers such as these on the dirt bikes for scrambles, desert, etc. Works great on the dirt bikes, but an ugly addition for the street.  Two different street kits below.

I don't believe Storz makes anything suitable for the FL's. I'm considering adding the steering damper assembly the comes on the new TriGlides to my SERK3! That one should work on any FL from what I can see! A lil pricey though!

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[spydglide]

I don't believe Storz makes anything suitable for the FL's. I'm considering adding the steering damper assembly the comes on the new TriGlides to my SERK3! That one should work on any FL from what I can see! A lil pricey though!

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How much, Howie?  Let us know if you do and your assessment.  thanks.  spyder

[Hoist!]

How much, Howie?  Let us know if you do and your assessment.  thanks.  spyder

Still thinking on it spyder, but I'll prolly order the parts from Jenni when I order the rest of the parts I need to get Cybil back together. I've already contacted Jenni anout it and the P/N's need to be pulled fom a TriGlide Parts Manual and ordered individually. It should be as simple as 2 brackets, hardware, and the damper itself. I believe it's about 500 bucks! If I get it, I'll post the pics and P/N's, and of course my assessment.

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[Trey767]

Still thinking on it spyder, but I'll prolly order the parts from Jenni when I order the rest of the parts I need to get Cybil back together. I've already contacted Jenni anout it and the P/N's need to be pulled fom a TriGlide Parts Manual and ordered individually. It should be as simple as 2 brackets, hardware, and the damper itself. I believe it's about 500 bucks! If I get it, I'll post the pics and P/N's, and of course my assessment.

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hey howie glad youre back, killing time in SJU waiting to fly back to NYC . I wonder what kind of wobble are you having? That you would need the damper, I alway felt it on my 06 but not really on the 09 but I don't have that much miles yet, is the wobble bad?

[Trapperdog]

Still thinking on it spyder, but I'll prolly order the parts from Jenni when I order the rest of the parts I need to get Cybil back together. I've already contacted Jenni anout it and the P/N's need to be pulled fom a TriGlide Parts Manual and ordered individually. It should be as simple as 2 brackets, hardware, and the damper itself. I believe it's about 500 bucks! If I get it, I'll post the pics and P/N's, and of course my assessment.

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I'llbe interested in your "assessment". Also how the install goes!

[Chrome O]

09 SE ULTRA CLASSIC,
I developed a bit of a wobble at high speed but I would really have called it a "weave" I had tire cupping front and rear, first replaced both tires, at roughly 4500 miles.... Paid full price for tires and labor,,, reason giving was improper air pressure, I argued that I checked often and never rode on low air. Paid of course.

Still had the weave, but only slightly, and only over triple digits, but it was still unnerving just the same.  After reading posts here I installed a set of Botubtos and Traxxion's much, much better but still there.  The dealer that installed my shocks "Houston Trike and Trailers" strongly encouraged me to take it back to HD as I had 5 wheel weights on the front and he had never seen that many and believed the wheel may have been out of round or just a bad tire. 

San Jac HD Dealer Pasadena Tx pulled it apart just a few days later and just before a planed trip to Arkansas and found the front bearings going out it was so bad the bearing feel out of the wheel and so bad the race was had wallowed out the wheel, when they put the new bearing back in they felt it was unsafe so they found a replacement front wheel at a nearby dealer and just replaced the entire wheel and the tire as the cupping was starting again after just a couple of thousand miles.  The HD dealership did all this and got the price of the tires and labor covered by the Moco..  That greatly offset the price of the shocks, THANK GOD
The weave is gone and the handling is incredible and my passenger loves the better ride quality as I do as well.
I took some turns in Arkansas with the new setup that my riding buddy could NOT believe and he could not keep up, and before we where wheel to wheel all day long.

You should have the dealer check it out...

[Hoist!]

Well, I think I'm about ready to order this CCE Dresser Triple Tree conversion kit. I see in the first few posts, they refer to over a thousand bucks for it. I see it today on CCE's site at $745 for Show Chrome, and $845 for Hard Chrome. WTF's? the difference anyway? I would think show chrome's more expensive. What's the deal here?

Also, anyone know who distributes CCE? I'd like to try to get it thru a 20% off dealer like Jenni. About $675 for the HC. Is it available thru distributors for the dealers?

I'll also have to send the fork legs back to Traxxion for them to rebuild them with the new fork tubes that come with the kit. But it's winter work and Cybil's not going anywhere for awhile anyway!

I also have the parts for the TriGlide Ohlins steering damper assembly. Real quality chit! Chip also sent me a nice chrome Progressive one. I'm going to see if that one works too. I'll keep on the one that works best.

So I'm expecting to really support and stiffen the front up with these mods. Hopefully this strength, support and rigidity will provide the additional stability I'm looking for!

Dresser Triple Trees 2002-2008 All Road King's

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