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How to make a 2010 SE Ultra Detachable TourPak
« on: January 15, 2010, 07:13:29 PM »

A number of members have asked for my advice on making their TP detachable on an SE Ultra so I thought I would make this post. If others agree, you might want to make it a "sticky". My SEUC is a 2010 and these steps only apply to 2010’s and maybe the years following.

Part 1
It's abit involved and you may want to have the dealer handle the hardware and wiring install unless you’re particularly handy. Essentially you'll need 2 TP detach kits (53248-09a and 70032-09) that are used on the normal Ultra. The first kit is expensive $600 and the second is $84. I got both of them for 20% off at my local dealer. The install of the hardware is actually pretty straightforward.

You then need to make a gang plug to handle the connections for the LED light bar, the interior/saddlebag LED lighting, the 12v power outlet and the power locks. This one plug (72109-94bk + 72119-94bk) can connect everything except the rear speakers, passenger headset plug and the 2 antennas. When this gang plug is unplugged it will coil up easily under the seat.

You can install an internal antenna for both the CB and the AM/FM in the fairing (easiest approach but reception will be reduced). Or you can use the chrome am/fm antenna bracket from the 2009 SE Roadglide (76555-09). This bracket will allow you to relocate your radio antenna from the TP to the space between the fender and the left saddlebag when the TP is removed. It looks nice and is easy to connect and disconnect (no tools) the am/fm antenna using this chrome bracket. Unfortunately the SE RG didn't have a CB so there's no matching chrome bracket for the CB antenna on the right side. I was able to gently heat up a second chrome radio antenna bracket and bend it in reverse. It worked perfectly and by heating it with a propane torch I avoided harming the chrome during the bending process. I tried the shorty antennas when I was running without the TP, but the reception was so reduced I went back to the stock factory antennas whether the TP is on or off.

That took care of the antennas and the power to the TP. Next was the speaker connections. These were simple 6 pin connectors. One for each rear speaker. When unplugged they easily fit under the seat. There’s also the issue of the passenger’s headset connector. It’s a simple step to slide the headset plug out of its TP holder and store it under the seat when the TP is disconnected. There’s a second plastic holder used to fasten the headset plug under the TP. I removed this plastic holder as its really not necessary.

The big issue is the rear speakers and how to power them. I added Biketronic’s Titan XL Speakers up front and added Biketronic’s Titan amp to power these new front speakers. I am exceptionally pleased with the sound this setup produces whether the TP is attached or not. There’s more volume (without distortion of any kind) than you could ever use, even if you wanted to listen to the speakers wearing a full enclosed helmet (trust me…I’ve done it at 75mph and the volume is plenty at 80% even wearing a full helmet and I’m not kidding).
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Re: How to make a 2010 SE Ultra Detachable TourPak
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2010, 07:15:32 PM »

Part 2
Of course this leaves the question of what to do with the rear speakers. There's 3 solutions: 1) super easy, 2) moderate difficulty and 3) hard solution. I tried all three.

1) The super easy solution is to remove the rear amp and disconnect the rear speakers altogether. To be honest, you’ll not going to hear much from them if you upgrade the front speakers, but your passenger won’t have the advantage of the rear speakers which might be an issue if you do a lot of 2up riding.

2) The moderate difficulty solution is to unbolt the rear amp from the TP. Don’t waste your time trying to find a way to bolt the rear amp back to the detach kit. I tried every way and it simply won’t fit between the detach TP frame and the fender.

Once it’s unbolted from the TP, the amp can be placed in the right saddlebag (no need to fasten it as it fits nice and snug along the inside wall of the saddlebag). The stock power plug to the rear amp is long enough to reach from under the seat, and then under the right saddlebag lid where you can plug it into the amp. There's enough space for the wiring harness to slip under the lid, even when it’s latched.  This “moderate” approach allows you to power the rear speakers when the TP is on by placing the amp in the saddlebag. The downside to this approach is the storage space you’ll lose and the heat the amp generates in the saddlebag. But this approach does work and it’s easy enough to unplug the amp and store it in the TP when you remove the TP. The radio's Fader will function even with the separate amp up front but only the rear speaker volume will be modified when using the Fader.

3) The hard solution is the approach I ultimately went to. I just got tired of dealing with the amp in the saddlebag. So I wanted to eliminate the rear HK amp altogether and power the rear speakers using the radio’s internal amp. The pins on the radio’s large connector are empty for the 4 +/- wires to the rear speakers. Essentially the stock wiring harness uses the audio from the front channel to power the rear amp which in turn sends out 2 channels. The rear amp in turn powers both the front and rear speakers off the radio’s front channel in the stock setup.

To power the rear speakers from the radio’s amp, you’ll need to tap into the empty rear speaker slots on the back of the radio’s plug. You’ll run 4 speaker wires (2 for each side) from the back of the radio, under the gas tank and back to the speaker connectors that were wired with plugs when you made the TP detachable. You’ll bypass the leads coming from the rear amp and replace them with these new leads off the back of the radio. The radio's Fader will work as it should taking this approach. I strongly recommend if you are planning to go this route, give the guys at Iron Cross Audio a call. You’ll need their assistance to get the correct color codes to make the right connections. They will definitely be able to help you out. http://www.ironcrossaudio.com/

I’m sure there’s other ways to go about making a 2010 SEUC TP detachable, however I’m very pleased with the result and the ease of taking the TP on/off. I can now take the TP on and off in about 10 minutes including taking the seat on and off. It’s not an easy project to install but I think the result is worth it. For the record, my dealer charged 7 hrs to do this install although I handled the CB antenna bracket myself and Iron Cross handled the rewiring of the rear speakers to bypass the rear amp.

Hopefully my approach is helpful to other SE Ultra owner’s looking to make their TP detachable. Here's another picture of the final result.
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Re: How to make a 2010 SE Ultra Detachable TourPak
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2010, 09:47:16 PM »

Looks great!! I love it,,,  Good job! :drink:
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Re: How to make a 2010 SE Ultra Detachable TourPak
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2010, 10:55:40 PM »

Looks great!! I love it,,,  Good job! :drink:

Thanks, here's one more pic of the bike with the TP attached and all hooked up. You'll also notice in the picture below that I replaced the stock hinges with the upgraded Harley smooth hinges. I'm very pleased with the improved look of these hinges. Sadly, it should have been this way from the factory. SE Ultra owners shouldn't be "nickled & dimed" by Harley but I guess they still feel they can get away with these types of short cuts.
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Re: How to make a 2010 SE Ultra Detachable TourPak
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2010, 05:10:46 PM »

Looks great, nice explanation on DIY and super job.
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Re: How to make a 2010 SE Ultra Detachable TourPak
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2010, 11:00:21 PM »


Awesome job Heatwave - thank you so much for taking the time to put it all down in writing!
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Re: How to make a 2010 SE Ultra Detachable TourPak
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2010, 07:22:35 PM »

If you're interested in keeping the stock amp you can do so by rotating the amp 90 degrees and making a couple of brackets out of 1.5" X 3/16" flat stock.  I used stainless and countersank the bolts for the amp.  Route the amp wiring along the left side of the bike.  The first picture shows the brackets mounted to the underside of the detachable rack.
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Re: How to make a 2010 SE Ultra Detachable TourPak
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2010, 07:30:24 PM »

Amp mounted to the rack
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Re: How to make a 2010 SE Ultra Detachable TourPak
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2010, 07:38:59 PM »

Top of rack with amp mounted showing countsank bolts.
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Re: How to make a 2010 SE Ultra Detachable TourPak
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2010, 07:48:05 PM »

Rack on the bike with amp wiring running along the left side and clearance between amp plug and fender.
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Re: How to make a 2010 SE Ultra Detachable TourPak
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2010, 07:58:42 PM »

This picture is not as good - it shows the back of the rack with a laydown Kayaking license plate that I have zip tied in place to show there is room between the amp and license plate.  The license plate brackets that came with the relocation kit will not work with the amp under the rack.  I think I going with the laydown plate by Kayaking just haven't made the decision to drill the holes in the fender.  Other options are to install the license plate on the back of the rack or below the tail light.
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Re: How to make a 2010 SE Ultra Detachable TourPak
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2010, 10:44:19 PM »

kinda glad my nice little Hawg Wired amp sits on the radio under the fairing.  Seems so complicated :nixweiss:
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Re: How to make a 2010 SE Ultra Detachable TourPak
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2010, 10:51:16 PM »

This picture is not as good - it shows the back of the rack with a laydown Kayaking license plate that I have zip tied in place to show there is room between the amp and license plate.  The license plate brackets that came with the relocation kit will not work with the amp under the rack.  I think I going with the laydown plate by Kayaking just haven't made the decision to drill the holes in the fender.  Other options are to install the license plate on the back of the rack or below the tail light.

What year SE Ultra did you make this fabricated amp bracket for? I looked at turning the amp on the 2010 SE Ultra bracket and there just wasn't enough space between the bracket and the fender. I'm curious if the design changed because I just don't think there was any way to get the amp to fit on my detach kit.

Your approach looks great. How close is the amp to the fender when the TP is attached?  

The other thing that affected my decision is that I wanted a layback license plate to align with my BAL layback LED tailight. The amp would have been in the way of the plate bracket unless I put the plate below the tailight (which would have covered the CVO emblem). You really can't hang the plate from the bracket since the bracket comes off the bike when the TP's off. Your approach of drilling the fender is certainly a solution, but I don't think I would have wanted to make the holes in the fender. It's good to see it worked out for you.
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Re: How to make a 2010 SE Ultra Detachable TourPak
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2010, 11:03:45 PM »

kinda glad my nice little Hawg Wired amp sits on the radio under the fairing.  Seems so complicated :nixweiss:

My Biketronics amp also sits on top of the radio for powering the front speakers. Unfortunately if you want the rear speakers powered up you either have to use the radio's amp or the stock rear HK amp. It's a shame that HD uses such an outdated and humongous amp with such poor power, but they seem to be behind in alot of technology. The Biketronics amp puts out 180 watts per channel and is smaller than a pack of cigarettes while the HK rear amp puts out 40 watts per channel and is the size of a cigar box. I guess its too much to ask that Harley design a decent sound system that fits entirely within the fairing.
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Re: How to make a 2010 SE Ultra Detachable TourPak
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2010, 12:22:22 AM »

Bluegoose, excellent write-up and pictures.   Thanks for sharing.
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