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[Opossum]

If you feel that you can't get good results from the V tune, why would you buy the TTS software in the first place?  Why wouldn't you just upload Steve's map and have it dyno'd.  Be curious to hear other opinions.

I didn't buy Vtune, TTS, or Steve's map.  Ed @The Dyno Difference uses the maps from a base run on the Dyno as well as his "spreadsheet maps", then the magic begins...the end result is front and rear cylinders, injectors and sensors are all matched and custom mapped for MY bike.  And the results speak for them self.  As a friend of ours says and has been proven Ed is the "Harley Whisperer".  That's what I think anyways!
Mike

[FL54]

I was responding more to Jarica's post of yesterday.

[jarica]

If you feel that you can't get good results from the V tune, why would you buy the TTS software in the first place?  Why wouldn't you just upload Steve's map and have it dyno'd.  Be curious to hear other opinions.

If you decided to do a dyno tune, using one of Steve's fuel maps as a base map, how would you upload it into
the the ECM without the TTS Mastertune software?

Rick

[HOGMIKE]

I didn't buy Vtune, TTS, or Steve's map.  Ed @The Dyno Difference uses the maps from a base run on the Dyno as well as his "spreadsheet maps", then the magic begins...the end result is front and rear cylinders, injectors and sensors are all matched and custom mapped for MY bike.  And the results speak for them self.  As a friend of ours says and has been proven Ed is the "Harley Whisperer".  That's what I think anyways!
Mike

I'm just curious what Ed uses to dyno tune. It's my understanding that there are a lot of programs out there that can tune.
Anyway, looks like you have good power and torque with what he did. Wish we had tuners of that caliber around here!

 

[FL54]

It would seem to me that you would either spend the money on a dyno to tune your bike or you would spend the money on the TTS software and do it yourself.  No offense, just curious.
While I would agree that a dyno would tune the bike in a greater range, the v tunes probably do an adequate job in the range that you typically ride.

[KODAGRIN]

Don't you still need something like the TTS to be able to make changes when using a dyno?  The dyno just gives you the readings, then you make changes to try to improve the readings.....

[HOGMIKE]

Don't you still need something like the TTS to be able to make changes when using a dyno?  The dyno just gives you the readings, then you make changes to try to improve the readings.....

Short answer: "Something"? YES
Think of the older bikes on a dyno, you changed spark advance curves and carb jets, right?
The new bikes with all the electronics have options to change fuel and spark, and a whole lot more.

[FL54]

The issues raised on this thread have created another question.
I installed the 1.75" Fullsac baffles and X pipe, downloaded Steve's map for the 110 and made 3 v tune runs.
My bike runs well but given the weather in my part of the world, I haven't been able to even burn one tank of fuel since the modifications.
It seems that some members here feel that to get the most out of the bike, a dyno is still necessary.
1.  Is this the general consensus?
2.  How much would one expect to pay?
The local dealer has one but I don't know what the skill level of the techs are.

[HOGMIKE]

The issues raised on this thread have created another question.
I installed the 1.75" Fullsac baffles and X pipe, downloaded Steve's map for the 110 and made 3 v tune runs.
My bike runs well but given the weather in my part of the world, I haven't been able to even burn one tank of fuel since the modifications.
It seems that some members here feel that to get the most out of the bike, a dyno is still necessary.
1.  Is this the general consensus?
2.  How much would one expect to pay?
The local dealer has one but I don't know what the skill level of the techs are.

A bunch of questions for you after reading this post.
You need to ask  yourself if you want/need your engine to run at 100% UNDER EVERY CONDITION.
Sometimes you have to make compromises to get the best fuel mileage, power, torque, heat managements, etc, etc to where you ride 90% of the time.

I had my bike dyno'd to 100%, after 6 hrs. on the rack, and I STILL changed some of the values to suit my riding style.
I ran my V-tune after the dyno runs, just to see if I was close, yep! Of course I missed some cells on the ends that you would see on the dyno.
BUT, if I can't get those values when I ride, do I really need them? What effect to my "missed" cells have on my riding.

Ask yourself how you ride, for myself I'm after good manners, no surprises, good mileage.
I have that.
Don't get trapped in spending countless hours (read $$$) chasing that last 2 HP that you will probably never miss.
To each his own.
This is, of course, MHO.........AND NO disrespect to all you great tuners out there.

[FL54]

Thanks Hogmike.  I appreciate your input.  I'm of the same mindset as you.  What do you consider good gas mileage?  As I said before, the weather hasn't cooperated for me in logging any significant miles.  Mr. Wizard informed me that the ECM will continue to make minor adjustments.  How many miles do you figure you would have to log before you could say that's as good mileage as I'm going to get on this tune?
Thanks in advance.

[HOGMIKE]

Thanks Hogmike.  I appreciate your input.  I'm of the same mindset as you.  What do you consider good gas mileage?  As I said before, the weather hasn't cooperated for me in logging any significant miles.  Mr. Wizard informed me that the ECM will continue to make minor adjustments.  How many miles do you figure you would have to log before you could say that's as good mileage as I'm going to get on this tune?
Thanks in advance.

I get ABOUT 32-40 on the big motor, and about 38-45 on the 103"
I'm not that worried about mileage, unless it's way out of range. A lot depends on your riding style and many other factors.
My 96" was getting about 30-40 on the open roads, two-up, pulling a 400lb trailer!
My bikes run great, all I gotta do is keep my hands off of them!
 

[FL54]

Roger that.  I haven't yet burned a tank of fuel but the mileage reserve indicates I should get around 36 MPG.  Good enough?

[HOGMIKE]

Roger that.  I haven't yet burned a tank of fuel but the mileage reserve indicates I should get around 36 MPG.  Good enough?

Key word: AROUND
Answer: yep!
 

[FL54]

Thanks Mike.

[jesse111]

I decided to go with Doc's performance Tuning. He's without question a professional tuner. He was one of the Beta testers for the TTS mastertune so he knows the system inside and out. Talking with Doc only takes a few minutes to discern he knows what he's doing.

Fullsac no doubt would tune some serious power but I just don't have the time to travel to the California line from the East coast.  Steve's map produced some serious power but the pesky decel pop is going to require a dyno tune. Hey, it happens. No ones fault that's just the way it is sometimes when you start modifying.

Before I meet with Doc for the tune, I'll first install Andrews .54 cams.

I will post my opinion of my experience with Doc Tuning as well as the Dyno results at the end of the month. My appointment with Doc is Thursday the 29th.

As a side note, from Doc's I'll be traveling to Traxxion for the installation of the AK 20 front suspension and the Bitubo rears.

The bike I bring home I suspect will be quite different and much improved from the bike I leave with. Gotta love it.