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Re: Michael Moore: Pilots on food stamps.
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2010, 02:48:03 PM »

I guess you may have a pretty good grasp why I posted the thread without any comments attached.

Yes, Moore is an ass... but how many of you heard Sully's comments until now?

I had no idea this was happening.

As far as I'm concerned Sully is a hero, and now he is displaying signs of heroism on the ground as well.

It takes balls to stand up to a group of law makers to say your piece, and it's most unfortunate that he had to save a plane load of people in front of the world before stuff like this could get out.

Hopefully "moore" people start talking about the subject.
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Re: Michael Moore: Pilots on food stamps.
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2010, 05:04:07 PM »

First, I am not a pilot! But since I live in one of the airline bedroom communities for the Atlanta airport and my wife is a retired flight attendant I know and ride with more than a few pilots. The quality of life for those in the airline industry has been in decline since Carter deregulated the industry, as is the quality of service. People may argue why this is so, but it in no small part due to the fact that most people don't want to pay a reasonable price to fly. They want to fly from coast to coast for less than the price of a bus ticket. This is why new pilots are not paid a reasonable salary and must assume much of the cost of their training. The truth is more money has gone into the airlines than ever came out, thus the many bankrupcy filings by airlines. It was never more true that you get what you pay for. This is the reason my wife hates to fly now! You would not believe how some passengers treat flight attendants these days....one of the reasons my wife retired 20 years ago! So when you go looking for that super cheep ticket next time, remember, you do get what you pay for!
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Re: Michael Moore: Pilots on food stamps.
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2010, 05:14:45 PM »

Crazy stuff !!!   :'(  m.moore is still a lying a$$ ! but I can do nothing but take you at you word. I didnt see what Sully said ???? Good debate ! :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: Michael Moore: Pilots on food stamps.
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2010, 09:13:02 PM »

Michael Moore was 'spot on' with his comments and coverage concerning the erosion of the pilot profession, and he barely scratched the surface.  There are new-hire regional airline pilots with barely over 300 total hrs.  The Captain of that Colgan Air flight that 'lawn-darted' into Buffalo barely had enough hours to even be type-rated in the aircraft, and he couldn't even recognize an approach to stall, let alone perform a stall warning recovery.  It was discovered during the investigation that during training, he had never practiced/performed an approach to stall warning/recovery in the simulator.  In the interest of cost savings, the company convinced the FAA to allow 'discussion only' of the procedure during the academic phase.

Years ago, a pilot had to have several thousand hours to even be competitive in the hiring process.  Not so nowadays with the regionals.  Corporate greed and aircraft built for 'third-world' pilots have made this possible.

A couple of years ago, I had my first (and last) jumpseat ride in a regional jet.  On my last day of a three-day trip, I was scheduled to deadhead to my domicile base on one of our mainline aircraft.  Unfortunately, the flight was cancelled due to mechanical problems.  Not wanting to wait 3hrs for the next flight home (gethomeitis), I grabbed the jumpseat on an RJ.  The FO was a new-hire and it was his leg to fly.  Long story short, it was a real 'eye-opener' for me, to witness the lack of airmanship skills and situational awareness while paying passengers were onboard.   Another time, while deadheading in the back of an RJ, the pilots were in position and hold on the runway before they discovered that they hadn't started the second engine!  They discovered it when they were cleared for takeoff, pushed up the throttles, and the aircraft starting yawing toward the grass.  I had a 'come to Jesus' with the Captain after the flight.

I do not allow my family and loved ones to fly on regional jets operated by certain carriers, having knowledge of the lack of training and experience of some.  I won't say names, but there are the good, bad, and ugly.  Unfortunately, most of the regional carriers wear the livery logos of their major airline partners, so the general public has no idea who is operating the jet that they are boarding.

The is a very good reason why we mockingly refer the FAA as the 'tombstone' agency.  A lot of folks usually have to die before they are coerced to make changes to improve safety.  What the general public doesn't know is that the FAA has two official charters.  One is to promote air commerce, the second to regulate.  All too often, they set the bar way too low (IMHO) in order appease the airlines and their costs.  Several times I have had FAA inspectors in my jumpseat with either zero hours in the majors and/or not type-rated in the aircraft.  UFB, like dogs watching a TV!

I could turn this diatribe into a small novel and cover what I have seen while flying the line, not to mention duty-day, fatigue, and maintenance deferral issues of some carriers.  Unfortunately, I just finished a three-day trip from Europe and my bed beckons me.

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Re: Michael Moore: Pilots on food stamps.
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2010, 10:10:54 PM »

Thinking Michael Moore is anything more than a reporter and documentary director/whistle blower shows YOUR political bias and agenda! Just why do you hate this guy? In America you choose what you want to believe, view and rail out against. I am not supporting his political views or discounting them.  When a plane crashes and kills people, I think it is a tragedy. When an opinion by a hero (Sully) backs up the problems with the system I don't discount the messenger, or attack his character. What can I do about it? Nothing. You have a plan B? I don't fly Regional Jets.........
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