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[49445CVO]

This officer is very lucky to be here today


Article
http://missoulian.com/news/local/article_2dd02134-477f-11df-aba6-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=story

Video
http://missoulian.com/news/local/article_2dd02134-477f-11df-aba6-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=video

[pkl]

Scary as hell. Very lucky cop. After the video you have to wonder why they had to even have a panel review it.

[scotr]

I am glad the officer is safe buy it sucks the way the guy went out. Jealousy, alcohol and guns dont mix well.

[HD Rider]

Very scary. I have lots of good friends that are cops and this definitely makes you think about it.

[bobaroni]

I am glad the officer is safe buy it sucks the way the guy went out. Jealousy, alcohol and guns dont mix well.

Agree 100%.

[MAT]

Very scary. I have lots of good friends that are cops and this definitely makes you think about it.

Absolutely , That profession is not to much different than a soldier on the front lines.

[Ed45]

Nice shooting. He cranked off that 14 rounds in seconds.

[charlie]

Thank God the cop is OK, don't care about the scumbag he shot.

[CBW]

wow

[arcticdude]

How much do you think the dead a$$h*les family will sue for?











that was sarcasm, in case you were wondering

[DDavidson]

The driver sticks the gun out the window and the cop naturally deflects it to the front of the vehicle using his right hand keeping his body out of the line of fire while immediately retreating in and towards the back of the vehicle drawing his weapon.  The deflection is a nice instinctive self defensive move like you might see in the building of Krav Maga weapon defenses.  Good move that probably also caused the delay in firing saving his own life. (one second difference and the outcome could have been even more tragic)

Drunk driver who was whiskey mad, jealous, and armed. His rage turned deadly when he chose to use the gun and it needed to end there instead of being allowed to carry it any further on down the road to others. The use of deadly force decision was quickly made and seems justified, my opinion. (Too bad it ended in death, but at least we didn't have to see a police officer mortally wounded on the side of road!) Rightfully by law it will be or was investigated. .

[BUBBLEHEAD]

One lucky officer. That was close

[YesItsLoaded]

Glad he's safe too and I agree with you - to a point: the officer put himself directly square and parallel to the suspect while he should have been just behind the suspects left shoulder (that way the suspect would have to rotate his whole body back to shoot the officer instead of just reach up and pull the trigger). Also, the officer had his flashlight in his gun hand - a big no/no.

The officer should have had his flashlight in his left (non-gun) hand, and approached the driver with his left-shoulder leading (officer's belly square to the door) as close to the vehicle as possible and right hand on his gun ready to draw. This is basic academy stuff. That way, as the suspect pointed his gun out the window, the officer is already behind the line of fire and has an opportunity to step back, draws his weapon and issue a command or fire himself. If you get close enough to deflect a weapon on a traffic stop with the driver still inside the vehicle ... your too close!

He is very fortunate he is still alive. Scr_w the felon.

[DDavidson]

YESITSLOADED

Thanks for the insight to the training. It makes total sense when I picture it in my mind and you can see he took a very risky (cocky) approach to the driver. In Krav Maga, the Israeli close combat system, the gun defense is built off of natural instincts such as grabbing and disarming. Although his method wasn't Krav I got a kick out of seeing him instinctively slap it away without much thought. I also enjoy learning about forms of defense as you described a small part of. Bet he replays this scenario over and over again.

Stay safe!

[YesItsLoaded]

YESITSLOADED

In Krav Maga, the Israeli close combat system, the gun defense is built off of natural instincts such as grabbing and disarming. Although his method wasn't Krav I got a kick out of seeing him instinctively slap it away without much thought. I also enjoy learning about forms of defense as you described a small part of. Bet he replays this scenario over and over again.
Stay safe!

Hey D,

I've seen Krav Maga demonstrated in gun/knife take-away scenarios and you are right - it is truly amazing what a trained un-armed individual can do to protect themselves given the proper technique. Not sure if this officer was a hand to hand expert, and he reacted quickly but placed himself in the wrong position/place to properly defend himself against just that kind of attack.

As you have stated, my thoughts above are applicable for most single-officer/single occupant traffic stops (rules change fast when there are backseat occupants and/or a suspicion that one of the occupants is or could be armed (leave 'em in the car with their hands touching the ceiling, wait for backup, institute felony stop procedures).

You are so right when you say Krav Maga is important to know - even for civilians ... given that most confrontations end up hand-to-hand or on the ground. I don't see it that much on the job, but when watching cops shows: officer's often frisk suspects standing up (against a wall or vehicle). 90 % of the time the suspect bolts or struggles with the officer (I guess the frisks that happen against a wall or car without incident wouldn't make for good TV and are not shown - they do happen too) yet it would be safer IMO for the officer to 'put' the suspect on the ground, gain control (physical leverage) over the suspect and then perform the search. Lots depends on that specific departments policy on what to search; when to search ... even how an officer places handcuffs on a suspect which can differ from agency to agency. Many more better trained and knowledgeable people than I, just my thoughts.

I agree with you too - that officer will not soon forget his brush with death.