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[Paulie]

I put V&H 2 into 2 Big Radius pipes on my 2010 CVO FLSTSE.  The dealer in Lake Charles put a power commander on with the pipes.  My understanding is the "new" speedometer/Tach/digital display has some software issues which cause some items to malfunction.  The Harley Technical Services stated theywere working on a software fix.

After six weeks I took my bike to San Jancinto Harley in PasadenaTexas to "re-flash" the system with the fix.  However, this is the most customer unfriendly dealer I with which I have dealt.  A true lack of understanding the system.
Is anyone haveing the same problems with the new speedometer?  And what fixesdo you advise?

[Mr. Wizard]

I put V&H 2 into 2 Big Radius pipes on my 2010 CVO FLSTSE.  The dealer in Lake Charles put a power commander on with the pipes.  My understanding is the "new" speedometer/Tach/digital display has some software issues which cause some items to malfunction.  The Harley Technical Services stated theywere working on a software fix.

After six weeks I took my bike to San Jancinto Harley in PasadenaTexas to "re-flash" the system with the fix.  However, this is the most customer unfriendly dealer I with which I have dealt.  A true lack of understanding the system.
Is anyone haveing the same problems with the new speedometer?  And what fixesdo you advise?

I'm truly amazed Paulie that you could fit the PCV on the ConV. This was reported to be near impossible without crushing it with the seat. Congratulations for being the first one that I've heard of to make it work.

With the TTS the sixth gear light issue is not with the new digital speedo. It's with the Primary Ratio. It is not with the speedo calibration settings.

and I quote a memo to me from TTS>>

We have seen this occasionally in the 2010 Dynas - the issue is that HD switched to a helical gear for the speedo pickoff, and the VSS sensor now occasionally misses pulses due to the different gear tooth shape.  Most have no issue at all; a few others exhibit the problem.  

The ECM uses the ratio of the VSS output pulses to engine RPM to compute which gear is selected.  When the pulses are out of the expected range, the 6th gear light does not activate and the cruise control may not work.

The workaround is to go into the MasterTune primary gear setting and reduce the ratio a bit.  The stock setting is 1.353 - try reducing this to 1.330 or so.  You can experiment a bit to find where it starts working "solidly"; some customers have set this as low as 1.324.

This will not affect the speedo calibration, only the 6th gear light.  The speedo calibration setting is completely separate form the primary gear calibration, although they both work off the same VSS sensor!

Now that is with the TTS... I have no clue about how the PCV will effect your light but the above information may help you find the answer you seek.  

Cheers

-wiz


Edit...  the software fix that HD is talking about is the ability to flash the ECM with a tuning device such as the TTS or SEST. The speedo constantly looks for a signal to and from the ECM for fuel readings. This will not let the ECM release to the tuning module to flash a map. On the ConV you must remove the ASSY fuse under the seat which will remove power to the speedo. After flashing you simply put the fuse back in.

[ezpgh]

When I told my dealer I needed a tuner the first thing he said was "Stay the hell away from the PC, they are junk and alot of things will go haywire on this new CVO" and something about the PC not bumping up the fuel pressure enough. He also said TTS is a great device but they do not install them at his place because of the time involved. He guarentees me that the SEST will do a great job and discounted it to under $400  installed. It gets done tomorrow. I am comfortable with my decision simply because if there are any issues down the road any HD dealer can handle it.

[ezpgh]

I put V&H 2 into 2 Big Radius pipes on my 2010 CVO FLSTSE.  The dealer in Lake Charles put a power commander on with the pipes.  My understanding is the "new" speedometer/Tach/digital display has some software issues which cause some items to malfunction.  The Harley Technical Services stated theywere working on a software fix.

After six weeks I took my bike to San Jancinto Harley in PasadenaTexas to "re-flash" the system with the fix.  However, this is the most customer unfriendly dealer I with which I have dealt.  A true lack of understanding the system.
Is anyone haveing the same problems with the new speedometer?  And what fixesdo you advise?

Get your money back for the PC and do the TTS or SEST.

[Mr. Wizard]

When I told my dealer I needed a tuner the first thing he said was "Stay the hell away from the PC, they are junk and alot of things will go haywire on this new CVO" and something about the PC not bumping up the fuel pressure enough. He also said TTS is a great device but they do not install them at his place because of the time involved. He guarentees me that the SEST will do a great job and discounted it to under $400  installed. It gets done tomorrow. I am comfortable with my decision simply because if there are any issues down the road any HD dealer can handle it.

I think your HD guy just lied to you. Ask him what the difference in setting up the TTS to flash your ECM and the SEST. I can tell you the answer... nothing. He just wants your money. The SEST will work well for your bike but i don't like misinformation to help anyone make a decision.

Sorry...  but the truth is the truth.   

[ezpgh]

I think your HD guy just lied to you. Ask him what the difference in setting up the TTS to flash your ECM and the SEST. I can tell you the answer... nothing. He just wants your money. The SEST will work well for your bike but i don't like misinformation to help anyone make a decision.

Sorry...  but the truth is the truth.   

I undersatnd totally and wish someone in my area did the TTS but I haven't found anyone that does.

[Mr. Wizard]

I undersatnd totally and wish someone in my area did the TTS but I haven't found anyone that does.

First I want to apologize for my outburst. I don't mean to sound negative towards you or your decision. I also understand that sometimes I sound like a shrill speaking of the TTS as I do. What simply set me off if the fact you were lied to.

Not all HD's will give false information to their customers to swing them to spend their money on other products but there are way too many that adopt this philosophy for the almighty buck. The adaptation of the SEST into the tuning of a Harley is simply no different than with a TTS. Your dealer knows this if he has been in the business for more than a few years as he had no choice but to use the TTS (old style SERT) until the parting of the agreement between the two respective companies.

So anyway, I am sure the SEST will work fine even though the TTS has more advanced features that will help you on the ConV. There are guys on this site that are very willing to help you set up your system and with a lot of patience teach you how to tune with any featured tuner you may choose so, if you change your mind about your decision just know you are not alone if help is needed.

Again, I apologize if I seem rude earlier.


-wiz

[ezpgh]

Wiz, no need to appologize at all because you were 100% right. BTW, they did the SEST yesterday and here's the results.....the bike has more power for sure, the heat has not decreased at all (I have an analog oil temp dipstick), the IETMS no longer activates (that's good and bad), and I still have backfiring during decel and between upshifts sometimes (which they say is do to V&H pipes not having backpressure), and the 6th gear light only works sometimes. I would pretty much say I threw more money away on this because all I got is a slightly better 1st-3rd response, certainly not $400 worth better either.

[Mr. Wizard]

did they give you a copy of your map?

[grc]

I don't want to make you feel bad, but like Mr. Wizard I have a hard time keeping my cool when dealership idiots lie to customers.  He lied to you about the PC, he lied to you again about the TTS, and now he's lying to you about the pipes.  What kind of lie did he come up with to cover the malfunctioning 6th gear light? 

If you spent $400 or less, I don't see any way this guy gave you a real custom dyno tune.  More likely the $400 just covered the SEST and he loaded one of the canned maps Harley has on disk.  If that's the case, the poor results don't surprise me at all.  A real tune would add at least $300 extra, on top of the price for the device.  And a competent tuner can fix your pipe issues as well as make the bike run the way it should.


Jerry

[Mr. Wizard]

Jerry... that's why I asked him is he has a copy of the map... I want to review it if I'm not sticking my nose where it doesn't belong.

The ConV has an issue with the 6th gear light as I've stated before but the SEST can't fix it. I haven't heard of a software fix for it as of yet so I wonder what was done or said. I would like to know more about that too.

Yes, it's another little white lie about the pipes... sounds like CVO meeting at that dealership??   

[Blueyz0416]

Jerry... that's why I asked him is he has a copy of the map... I want to review it if I'm not sticking my nose where it doesn't belong.

The ConV has an issue with the 6th gear light as I've stated before but the SEST can't fix it. I haven't heard of a software fix for it as of yet so I wonder what was done or said. I would like to know more about that too.

Yes, it's another little white lie about the pipes... sounds like CVO meeting at that dealership??   

Not to hijack the thread, but MR WIZARD HAD A BIRTHDAY TODAY -- HAPPY 27th (AGAIN)!!! 

[ezpgh]

I put V&H 2 into 2 Big Radius pipes on my 2010 CVO FLSTSE.  The dealer in Lake Charles put a power commander on with the pipes.  My understanding is the "new" speedometer/Tach/digital display has some software issues which cause some items to malfunction.  The Harley Technical Services stated theywere working on a software fix.

After six weeks I took my bike to San Jancinto Harley in PasadenaTexas to "re-flash" the system with the fix.  However, this is the most customer unfriendly dealer I with which I have dealt.  A true lack of understanding the system.
Is anyone haveing the same problems with the new speedometer?  And what fixesdo you advise?

I honestly don't think HD would think twice about a problem caused by a PC. They don't respond to problems they create let alone issuses that happen when an add on is used. PC should be the ones working on a solution.

[ezpgh]

I don't want to make you feel bad, but like Mr. Wizard I have a hard time keeping my cool when dealership idiots lie to customers.  He lied to you about the PC, he lied to you again about the TTS, and now he's lying to you about the pipes.  What kind of lie did he come up with to cover the malfunctioning 6th gear light?  

If you spent $400 or less, I don't see any way this guy gave you a real custom dyno tune.  More likely the $400 just covered the SEST and he loaded one of the canned maps Harley has on disk.  If that's the case, the poor results don't surprise me at all.  A real tune would add at least $300 extra, on top of the price for the device.  And a competent tuner can fix your pipe issues as well as make the bike run the way it should.


Jerry

They may have lied about the PC but they did say TTS was a great choice, just that they did not use them at their shop. And yes, they did use a canned map software level 176PQ006-000 whatever that means. As far as dynos go around here, they are few and far between and cost so much nobody uses them. The damn bikes should run straight out of the box. Mine is going back tomorrow, they want to recheck and adjust "if necessary", and they also said the 6th light not working sometimes has nothing to do with the SEST and will be adjusted also tomorrow, funny tho because it always worked correctly before the SEST. I'm pretty hard headed and if this thing does not run PERFECT after they are done tomorrow it wont be coming back home with me. OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH forgot this one, they also said HD used 2 different cams in this model and the map may be the wrong one for my cam!!! It gets better and better!!!!!!!!!!!

[Paulie]

I have removed the power commander and installed the Scream'n Eagle system.  The sixth gear light still works improperly.
You are right.........the dealerships are extremely rube on this issue.  The San Jancinto, Pasadena Texas dealership hires Bandito mechanic(s).  So it can get ugly........especially when they don't listen to the problem.  I have been promised ......"no retailation" for not fixing my sixth gear light.  What a mess.  I did talk to the Lake Charles dealer who told me that Harley would have the software fix soon.  Hope so before I take my beating!!!