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QS001

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Crank upgrade
« on: July 19, 2010, 12:22:49 AM »

I've heard from a couple Harley mechanics that guys are twisting there cranks and damaging there engine, since Harley quit using the timken bearing. What stage kits are you guys using to make these 110's as best as possible? Thanks for answering my concerns.
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Re: Crank upgrade
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2010, 02:07:54 PM »

I've heard from a couple Harley mechanics that guys are twisting there cranks and damaging there engine, since Harley quit using the timken bearing. What stage kits are you guys using to make these 110's as best as possible? Thanks for answering my concerns.
We weren't twisting them, they were bad.  Early 2007 (built in 2006) seemed to be really bad.  I had one.  HD increased the spec and know it's normal.
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Re: Crank upgrade
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2010, 02:34:13 PM »


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Junk is junk, except when it's Harley selling the junk.  Then it becomes "normal" when they either don't know how to fix it, or more likely don't want to spend a few bucks to fix it.

The change from a dual tapered roller bearing set (Timken) on the drive side of the crankshaft is not the root cause of the increased failure rate of the '07 and later cranks.  The Timken set was eliminated for 2003, and the 2003-2006 engines didn't see increased rates of scissoring (twisting).  Only when H-D changed the design of the flywheels and output shaft for the '07 ('06 Dyna) did the stuff hit the fan.  There were many major and total failures on the '07's, and while the reports of major failures has dropped in the following years, the amount of runout reported by those having their cranks measured is still significantly higher than the previous generation Twin Cams.  This does not bode well for oil pump life, even if the crank doesn't fail or get worse over time.

BTW, if you really want a Timken dual roller bearing set, you can pay H-D for the parts to convert your '03 and later engine.  Folks who drag race or who like to do burnouts to impress the crowd at the local bar might gain something from the change, but regular folks probably don't need to worry about it.  On the other hand, if you plan any major bottom end work or major power increases, having the crankshaft upgraded will be worth the expense.  Either have the existing part trued, balanced, and welded/plugged, or buy a good replacement from the aftermarket.  At that time, if you want a Timken go ahead, the additional expense won't be so bad since you already have the bottom end torn apart.

Oh, just in case anyone thinks this is just a 110 problem, think again.  The same crank is used in the TC96, the '07 and later 103, and the 110.


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Re: Crank upgrade
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2010, 02:36:58 PM »

! Ewe Rah  Jerry!

Flexicranks! Almost as crappy as the front suspension and brake pads...
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Re: Crank upgrade
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2010, 02:41:25 PM »

Bad is bad.
Right on GRC
Increase the allowable tolerance on a part that won't function correctly and that will just buy harley a free pass out of warranty work not help the consumer one bit.
The cranks have shown issues with all twin cams becoming prevalent in 2003 and increasing from there. This is ironically the same year the Timken case bearing was eliminated.
You have warranty now and if the motor is not pushed hard or lugged it will likely survive.
What stage???
None of them. No HD stage builds address the weak press fit of the stock cranks.
The aftermarket rules this roost. Darkhorse Crankworks is a one stop shop to lower end improvement. It is all they do. Google them and see what they offer.
Do this first if any substantial horsepower plans are in the future.
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Re: Crank upgrade
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2010, 11:55:03 PM »

Bad is bad.
Right on GRC
Increase the allowable tolerance on a part that won't function correctly and that will just buy harley a free pass out of warranty work not help the consumer one bit.
The cranks have shown issues with all twin cams becoming prevalent in 2003 and increasing from there. This is ironically the same year the Timken case bearing was eliminated.
You have warranty now and if the motor is not pushed hard or lugged it will likely survive.
What stage???
None of them. No HD stage builds address the weak press fit of the stock cranks.
The aftermarket rules this roost. Darkhorse Crankworks is a one stop shop to lower end improvement. It is all they do. Google them and see what they offer.
Do this first if any substantial horsepower plans are in the future.

Thanks for the input, my buddy suggested the Darkhorse as well, I will Google this. Thanks again to all!!!
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Re: Crank upgrade
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2010, 07:30:55 AM »

John Hoban, Darkhorse Crankworks, in Newton Wisconsin, performs some of the best crank work, money can buy.
We send all our press-togather crank work to them, while the tapered shaft(pre-99)units stay in house.
Flatheads, Pans, Iron XL's, Shovels, and Evo's(and Evo XL's) done here.
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