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[VANAMAL]

id put a a small bead of black silcon gasket maker and button it up. i use the stuff all time on my work equip repair works great
permatex ultra black hi-temp rtv silicon gasket maker px#82180
 

[Twolanerider]

id put a a small bead of black silcon gasket maker and button it up. i use the stuff all time on my work equip repair works great
permatex ultra black hi-temp rtv silicon gasket maker px#82180
 

Van, it is with certainty I no longer give a darn how dry Harley intended these gaskets to go together.  I think the back tire has collected 500 miles just rolling around my garage on its own in the last three weeks or so.  Sometime this weekend the pipes are coming off and something new is going to get tried.  It may be ugly.  It may be messy.  It may screw with the time space continuum.  But it'll be something different than what's been done so far .

[hogasm]

Van, it is with certainty I no longer give a darn how dry Harley intended these gaskets to go together.  I think the back tire has collected 500 miles just rolling around my garage on its own in the last three weeks or so.  Sometime this weekend the pipes are coming off and something new is going to get tried.  It may be ugly.  It may be messy.  It may screw with the time space continuum.  But it'll be something different than what's been done so far .

Keep in mind Don that duct tape also hides the ugly

[Twolanerider]

Keep in mind Don that duct tape also hides the ugly

Ohhhh, and all this time I thought that's what paper bags or flags were for..... 

[Tirpitz]

You could just trade the leak away.  New bike, no leak.

[Twolanerider]

You could just trade the leak away.  New bike, no leak.

Sell or trade this bike ? 

Are you nucking futz?

Tirpitz sank after being allowed to fart against ground targets once in its lifetime.  Red bike gets more saddle time and dignity than being traded against something that can't keep a crankshaft intact or gets confused by its lack of throttle cables.  Geeez.....  Trade the red bike.  What a gawdawful hare brained idea!  Moderators??!!!???  I'm being abused!!!

[murphy]

You could just trade the leak away.  New bike, no leak.

Unless it's a 110, then at least the new leaks would be easier ro reach!

[Tirpitz]

I knew that one would get you!  LOLROF

[Twolanerider]

I knew that one would get you!  LOLROF

Yeap, nothin' if not predictable .

[Screamin]

After all of this seems that there's only a couple of options:

1) Leave it alone and ride the hell out of it. It will either stop leaking or get worse. If it stops, cool. If it gets worse you'll probably find the source;

2) Tear it apart and hope that something reveals itself;

3) Blow the damn thing up. Remember to do this out in a field, not the garage. No sense in punishing the other rides.

Decisions, decisions   

P.S. if you go w/ #3 let us know so we can all come watch. 

[Twolanerider]

3) Blow the damn thing up. Remember to do this out in a field, not the garage. No sense in punishing the other rides.

Decisions, decisions   

P.S. if you go w/ #3 let us know so we can all come watch. 

Let y'all know?  If I blow it up I'm selling ticket!


Ok, did get time to mess with this more this afternoon.  Don't know for sure if I did or did not find anything.  Probably created more questions than will have been answered for another 24-36 hours.

Drained fluids yesterday and let it since then with the plugs out.  To keep as many drips and dribbles off the work area as possible when it dropped apart.

Then took out all the pan bolts a couple and replaced four corner-ish bolts with some a bit longer.  So the pan could drop a bit more than it would have to allow better access to the gasket for viewing and and anything else that might be tried.

After doing them I'm even more unsure it was a leaking pan gasket.  Fortunately the pan dropped down very cleanly.  No oils on the work area.  Nice and clean for viewing and working.  And no signs of oil passing by the gasket on the surface of the pan.  Looks exactly as one would hope it did for normal use.

[Twolanerider]

Here it is backlit.  Still hard to catch with the camera flash but the high res exploded images I could see here did look clean.

[Twolanerider]

As did the bottom of the tanny case.  Also clean.  As, for that matter, did both fiber surfaces of the gasket.

[Twolanerider]

But, maybe, found something else.  Honestly don't know for sure.  Had a UV dye/penetrant in the oil.  Under UV I could see a slightly larger than hair thin line that followed this track.  Could never see it with the naked eye.  Could easily miss it with the UV glasses; and almost did.  UV lens on the camera never did pick it up.  But at the right angle of viewing and with the UV light at the right angle I could find this maybe-crack every time.

If that's it (and I don't have any confidence either way) it begs the question why now and what happened when changing the oil pan the first time to cause it.  Maybe something happened when this transmission grenaded a couple years ago and taking the pan bolt out adjacent to this spot was enough to finally cause a problem.  The only thing I know for sure is I really don't know. 

I took a Dremel and a pointed a grinding tool and just barely cut in to the line and extended beyond it.  Then filled it and beyond it with JB weld.  Also painted in a careful application of #2 Permatex from the mid point of the front of the pan to about 3/4 of the way back the left side.  That extends well beyond the leak area both ways.  So if it is some pan/gasket issue I'm just not seeing after the several attempts hopefully the Permatex will address that as well.

Bike is back together now.  The JB Weld (actually the Loctite version of the same thing -- just can't remember what Loctite calls it) will be allowed to fully set up until about this time tomorrow before I do anything more with it.  If time allows will ride it some tomorrow evening and see if anything at all has been accomplished.

[Twolanerider]

For a better perspective here is where the maybe-crack might be.