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[Twolanerider]

My thanks again to all for putting up with my using this tool to think out loud (and tease a bit to keep me sane) going through this. 

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ummm....errrr....    

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             (to keep me sane)

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Right, like that's gonna ever happen.

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[Tirpitz]

Your bike is so clean, I will never let you see mine up close!  Looks like you found the leak and repaired it.  Good Job!

[Twolanerider]

ummm....errrr....    

Dingfutz !


Those bolts attach the counterrevolutionary exhaust defilistrator relief valve that had to be removed for better access!

[Twolanerider]

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Right, like that's gonna ever happen.

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Uhhh......   I have gone to find myself.  If I return before I get back please hold me until I get here.

[Twolanerider]

Your bike is so clean, I will never let you see mine up close!  Looks like you found the leak and repaired it.  Good Job!

I hope so.  And thanks for the good wishes.  But I really don't have a clue at this point.  Will let the first ride tell the tale and will be neither optimistic nor pessimistic until that happens.

If it doesn't leak at all and I don't know whether it was the pan gasket or the case I won't care at this point.  If it's the case though I'd not be surprised if it still leaks.  Or at least does again later.  If it does, however, I'll at least see a different pattern or flow point.  In and of itself that will be worth finding out.

[mattm]

Don,

Before you run it again, try spraying the area with some dry powdery deodorant/antiperspirant.  If it starts to leak, the powder will help highlight anywhere oil starts to wick out.  Sometimes this works a little better then uv dye.

Hope you got it, from the looks of your gasket when you dropped your pan, you are not leaking there.

Matt

[Twolanerider]

Don,

Before you run it again, try spraying the area with some dry powdery deodorant/antiperspirant.  If it starts to leak, the powder will help highlight anywhere oil starts to wick out.  Sometimes this works a little better then uv dye.

Hope you got it, from the looks of your gasket when you dropped your pan, you are not leaking there.

Matt

Thanks Matt.  That's not a trick I knew of.  Will give it a shot.

[Twolanerider]

Son of a bitch.  Still leaking. 

Too hot to look terribly close.  But it's still the same area.  Looks like it's now coming from a small area that is below the JB Weld patch and above the pan.  I can't make myself believe it's coming from the pan gasket. 

Best guess is coming through the tranny case and undermining the patch.  Will look at it more closely later when it's dark outside and a light can actually illuminate the problem area.  But it's not coming from up front and running back.  Front of pan is dry and side of case is dry in front of the problem area.  Oil is coming down side of pan and spreading out as it does; as one would expect it to.

Screw it.  Not tearing it down again now unless a close look later shows something new or unexpected.  Will just ride it locally and use the SERG for anything that's not close.  Then this winter when have a bit more time will order a transmission case and tear it down.

[sadunbar]

Son of a bitch.  Still leaking. 

Too hot to look terribly close.  But it's still the same area.  Looks like it's now coming from a small area that is below the JB Weld patch and above the pan.  I can't make myself believe it's coming from the pan gasket. 

Best guess is coming through the tranny case and undermining the patch.  Will look at it more closely later when it's dark outside and a light can actually illuminate the problem area.  But it's not coming from up front and running back.  Front of pan is dry and side of case is dry in front of the problem area.  Oil is coming down side of pan and spreading out as it does; as one would expect it to.

Screw it.  Not tearing it down again now unless a close look later shows something new or unexpected.  Will just ride it locally and use the SERG for anything that's not close.  Then this winter when have a bit more time will order a transmission case and tear it down.

That's incredible... Not really fun and games anymore is it?

Lacking a crack, why would it wait until now to start leaking thru the case? 

Take some more pictures showing the leak...

This one's almost worth a trip to your house... (unless you want to drop your bike off at my house... )

[Twolanerider]

That's incredible... Not really fun and games anymore is it?

Lacking a crack, why would it wait until now to start leaking thru the case? 

Take some more pictures showing the leak...

This one's almost worth a trip to your house... (unless you want to drop your bike off at my house... )

With pipes and exhaust bracket in the way can't get a good image.  Can't get it lit and can only get a partial view.   Will try to illustrate with this image from the other day.

If it's coming through the case it looked to be doing so along some part of the patch marked by the bright red squiggly line.  Etched through that crack-or-whatever-it-is and abraded around the area and made a JB Weld patch that covers the area encompassed by the blue space.  Oil now appears to be coming out right at the curve in the pan highlighted by the dark red circle.  That happens to be right at the bottom of the patch.  So oil might be undermining the attempted repair.  If so I'm not surprised and suspected it might happen.  There was no way to put pressure against the patch and make it infiltrate the suspect area.  Knew a topical application might only change things.

The change is at least data though.  So have to accept that for what it's worth.

As to why now?  If I stop saying bad words long enough to consider it rationally the only thing that makes any sense is perhaps there has either always been a weak spot or a weak spot was created when this transmission shelled a couple years ago.  But left unmolested it was always barely ok.  Then simply by removing the bolt adjacent to the problem or by tightening it at reassembly I "woke up" the weak spot.

Of course don't have a clue it's that actually what happened.  Can't even say with adamantine certainty that I know it's leaking through the case.  Only that I'm as confident as I can be it's not coming from anywhere else.

[VANAMAL]

didnt you blow up the tranny a while back? mayby the case got jacked then. the suspense is killin me

[Twolanerider]

didnt you blow up the tranny a while back? mayby the case got jacked then. the suspense is killin me

This is the bike the tranny shelled on Van ( http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=23153.0 ).  It locked up all at once doing about 45. 

None of the internals mount directly to this side of the case.  Both shafts go through the side cover.  Though a side cover bolt is directly above the point in question.

I'll admit it seems a damned odd and unlikely failure.  And I'm not convinced that's what it is.  It just seems, however, that it is not anything else.  So when it appears not to be anything else the "damned odd and unlikely" may be all that's left.

[Twolanerider]

This thing is going to make me lose sleep.  Just walked out to garage and ran the bike on the lift at about 2K for about ten minutes.  Oil temp to almost 190 on the dash gauge.  Never a drop leaking.  Dry as the proverbial popcorn fart.

If I rode the back for ten minutes there would be leakage.  At this point I'm not even sure what the distinction tells me.  Just that it's a difference.  Will think about it more later....