Exactly. And if I may be so bold as to expand on your comment Scot, I don't think anyone around here cares if the "tuners" get together on their own thread to discuss sensor mV output versus measured AFR, or the other thread they have running. Those who aren't interested in that stuff will just skip the thread, sort of like how some of us ignore the threads about guns or other subjects that don't interest us. The problem comes when they hijack other people's threads and then start acting like children, taking a simple question and turning it into a never ending discourse of how great they are at using product XYZ and ignoring the fact that the people the thread was aimed at aren't tuners and are probably looking for the most practical solution for them.
Anyhow, I've said my piece on the subject and I intend to move on to more pressing issues, like what is the best motor oil for a Harley.
Jerry
And..... once again Jerry is spot on as usual (I was wrong about being wrong when, previously, I thought was wrong but was mistaken about that).
I actually quite like the good technical threads. Can't help but have noticed the recent influx of vendors/gurus/agents/whatever they are. Had assumed they migrated from another site. In and of itself I could care less. This place has always been surprisingly inclusive.
My (personal) complaint is when the vendors play mine-is-bigger and hijack the threads either belittling the civilians (who aren't always wrong, by the way) or competing with each other. They're not subtle either. It's obvious most couldn't give a damn about the civilians they're preaching to or competing for the attention of. It's just competition with their competition because it is oh-so-important to have the self-perception of looking good. Insecurities being what they are that may be important. But to most of us here it's just not (he says while typing while wearing only his tidy whities waiting for laundry to finish).
So to all the new vendors, technicians and technician wannabes; welcome aboard. But from one semi-humble member whose opinion likely matters to no one but himself (and not even always to himself) if you have to be competitive find your own threads. Go on and on and on and on. I might even search a specific detail later and find something worth learning. So thank you for the effort (but don't expect me to read the whole damned thing).
But don't hijack someone's topic for sales or other self-aggrandizing. I know it's your intent to look better, smarter, $65 million dollar man better than those you're competing with but too often you just look tacky and make most of us less likely to spend money with you.
Seriously, we can hijack threads bad enough on our own; but in ways we enjoy and that fits within how we've always been comfortable. We don't need a dozen or so sales
parasites weenies wankers gentlemen running off on tangents that actually benefit no one (including themselves).