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[fix it myself]

has anyone found metal in the engine oil,7300mi and things are not looking good.bike has been in the shop 6 times for primary problems.exploded rotor and stator,bearings,clutch pack,primary chain,ect. now metal in the engine oil,can this all be due to crank runout? i bought the ride of my dreams,only to have them crushed by piss poor quality control FLHTCUSE BLK5 SUKS  left out new rotors which over heated due to missalinement from factory,and front end clunk. thinking i got a lemon

[grc]

has anyone found metal in the engine oil,7300mi and things are not looking good.bike has been in the shop 6 times for primary problems.exploded rotor and stator,bearings,clutch pack,primary chain,ect. now metal in the engine oil,can this all be due to crank runout? i bought the ride of my dreams,only to have them crushed by piss poor quality control FLHTCUSE BLK5 SUKS  left out new rotors which over heated due to missalinement from factory,and front end clunk. thinking i got a lemon

Quite possible.  If your crank is wobbling badly enough, it could cause things like the rotor to smack the stator, beat the chit out of bearings, grind metal out of the cam plate and oil pump, etc.  Time to have your dealer check crank runout, and if it's as bad as I think it could be it's time for a new replacement engine.  Yours wouldn't be the first.


Jerry

[fix it myself]

went to dealer today,they agree its got a problem.they told me the new 110s did not have enough relief cut out of the top rocker box for the 255cams,going in to shop in the morning.i feel this isn't doing much, but wasting my time.they told me they couldn't do anything about runout until the engine blew.i know how to check it myself,but its a warranty issue.thinking about contacting HD myself,making a full list of the problems the bike has now,plus what has been fixed. i am not a happy camper.

[ultrafxr]

went to dealer today,they agree its got a problem.they told me the new 110s did not have enough relief cut out of the top rocker box for the 255cams,going in to shop in the morning.i feel this isn't doing much, but wasting my time.they told me they couldn't do anything about runout until the engine blew.i know how to check it myself,but its a warranty issue.thinking about contacting HD myself,making a full list of the problems the bike has now,plus what has been fixed. i am not a happy camper.

I'm no mechanic but that sure sounds like bs to me.  The early 110s (like my '07) sure did have a problem with the rocker boxes not being clearanced and causing interference.  But that was usually an irritating ticking sound.  And I sure thought they got that addressed a long, long time ago.  Nothing differerent about the newer 110s in this regard as far as I know.  Is this the first 110 your dealer has seen?  I think Jerry (grc) is more correct than your dealer, imo.

[sadunbar]

went to dealer today,they agree its got a problem.they told me the new 110s did not have enough relief cut out of the top rocker box for the 255cams,going in to shop in the morning.i feel this isn't doing much, but wasting my time.they told me they couldn't do anything about runout until the engine blew.i know how to check it myself,but its a warranty issue.thinking about contacting HD myself,making a full list of the problems the bike has now,plus what has been fixed. i am not a happy camper.

This is the type dealer BS that can make ones blood boil.  The issue of interference in the rocker boxes was corrected in early 2008.  The attached tech bulletin describes the solution and provides pictures.  And this issue did not deposit metal in the oil.  It created a noise, degraded the life of the valve guides and produced a "dent" in the rocker box where the edge of the valve retainer contacted it.

There is a spec for crank runout (an ever increasing spec, but a spec none the less).  And plenty of motors have been replaced by the MOCO for excessive crank runout.  And most did not have to fail first...  Your dealer is either uneducated or incompetent.   

[fix it myself]

the dealer says even if it blows they will just rebuild it,i fell they have not run into this type of problem before .they are only 3 years old ,i did find out they had another 2010 flhtcuse5 110 with flywheel shift in the shop now.they were tight lipped about what they were doing to it.i will find out more in the morning. do you think contacting hd customer service will gain any ground?

[grc]

the dealer says even if it blows they will just rebuild it,i fell they have not run into this type of problem before .they are only 3 years old ,i did find out they had another 2010 flhtcuse5 110 with flywheel shift in the shop now.they were tight lipped about what they were doing to it.i will find out more in the morning. do you think contacting hd customer service will gain any ground?

Absolutely, contact H-D and don't rely on those clowns to do the right thing (or to even know what the right thing is).  If you read some of the many threads on this site concerning the 110 engines you will see that this is a common problem with the crankshaft, and by the time you have metal shavings running around in there even the MoCo will say to replace the engine versus trying to have some incompetent clowns rebuild it.  That BS about them not being able to do anything or even check runout until the engine blows should be a big tipoff that these folks are either grossly incompetent or just lazy liars.

You don't show in your profile where you are located, but unless this is the only dealer within a hundred miles I think it might be a good idea to start looking for another place to do business.  You aren't tied to the place where you bought the bike for warranty work, see if there is a better dealer available.


Jerry

[sadunbar]

the dealer says even if it blows they will just rebuild it,i fell they have not run into this type of problem before .they are only 3 years old ,i did find out they had another 2010 flhtcuse5 110 with flywheel shift in the shop now.they were tight lipped about what they were doing to it.i will find out more in the morning. do you think contacting hd customer service will gain any ground?

The begin with, it's not even up to them.  It is up to the MOCO to decide how to address the failure.  And most often, they have replaced the motor.  As Jerry pointed out, this is not a new problem and there is significant precedent as to the corrective action provided by the MOCO.

[HD Street Performance]

Your crank has likely shifted. Bearing sprocket side is likely affected.
Get to a decent dealer that won't try to offer smoke and mirrors and will pull the motor and fix it. Or at bare minimum document the problem and test the crank.

[fix it myself]

well the rockers had plenty of clearance,as we already new. going back in Monday,they are saying a bad lifter now.this still does not answer ( the metal in the oil issue). at least they are working there way down.  will let you know what the next stage of my journey has to bring, in a day or two. 

[sadunbar]

well the rockers had plenty of clearance,as we already new. going back in Monday,they are saying a bad lifter now.this still does not answer ( the metal in the oil issue). at least they are working there way down.  will let you know what the next stage of my journey has to bring, in a day or two. 

If it's a really bad lifter (roller disintegrating), it would result in metal in the oil.  And it would take your cams out with it.  But it also would really be hammering.  You haven't mentioned a noise issue. 

[fix it myself]

HD told the dealer to change lifters and if it still has a problem to check the runout.HD wont admit they have problems and would rather spend time and money,in a pissing match. they must of missed a checkup at the doc,they are running out of piss. i cant help but wounder if the wage problems has caused work quality to decline.                 Decades of operation and endless marketing have created brand loyalty beyond belief or reason. What will be the impact to Harley's image, reputation and bottom line if it abandons Milwaukee after 107 years?
Will the owners manual be written in English as an option?                                                                         TO MANY CHIEFS AND NOT ENOUGH INDIANS=BAD PONIES     ( just because everyone in china has a job doesnt make the quality of life better)

[skreminegul07]

HD told the dealer to change lifters and if it still has a problem to check the runout.HD wont admit they have problems and would rather spend time and money,in a pissing match. they must of missed a checkup at the doc,they are running out of piss. i cant help but wounder if the wage problems has caused work quality to decline.                 Decades of operation and endless marketing have created brand loyalty beyond belief or reason. What will be the impact to Harley's image, reputation and bottom line if it abandons Milwaukee after 107 years?
Will the owners manual be written in English as an option?                                                                         TO MANY CHIEFS AND NOT ENOUGH INDIANS=BAD PONIES     ( just because everyone in china has a job doesnt make the quality of life better)

I do not agree.  The union workers just assemble the junk parts made in China.  This is a component failure either quality of parts or poor design and spec, either way, no unions in China, Mexico or the engineering in Milwaukee.  I'm no big fan of unions, but no blame here unless you look at the high level indirect union effect of increased pay demands causing product cost cut backs.

[DESERTBEAR54]

I'm one of those guys with a 2010 SEUC that the dealer ended up puting a new motor in BLUU. Engine running better but have a Clacking sound after motor gets hot and I put it in neutral. Time will tell!!

[DANYHD76]

French motorcyclist

I have just had the same problem

The valve lifter with broken

It there with metal in oil

The oil pump is striped

The cams are striped

It there with metal in all the engine and the bearings

My salesman awaits the response of HD