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[mjb765]

I am taking the HD XM module out of my '10 SESG and will be putting in my '11 SESG and need to know about the harness. Every picture I see shows it with the additional harness going to the radio. Since mine was dealer installed, I am not sure if the bike comes with the harness or I need to take it with me. Does anybody know? Here is a pic of the module and harness that I am talking about.

I also know that HD says the module only fits up to '10 SESG's..but after some research I found that it is because the mounting location has been taken by the new 100w amp for the addtional speakers. Electrically there is no difference in the 2 bikes other than the amp.

SO--do I take the harness or does the '11 come with it? And does it do anything else?

[bissjim]

I do not know for sure if your 11 will have the harness, I expect that it will not but take the harness, if you do not need it then you can sell it, if you do need it you won't have to buy another one. It a no loss situation if you remove the harness along with the XM module.

jim

[RetSUBLDO]

I am taking the HD XM module out of my '10 SESG and will be putting in my '11 SESG and need to know about the harness. Every picture I see shows it with the additional harness going to the radio. Since mine was dealer installed, I am not sure if the bike comes with the harness or I need to take it with me. Does anybody know? Here is a pic of the module and harness that I am talking about.

I also know that HD says the module only fits up to '10 SESG's..but after some research I found that it is because the mounting location has been taken by the new 100w amp for the addtional speakers. Electrically there is no difference in the 2 bikes other than the amp.

SO--do I take the harness or does the '11 come with it? And does it do anything else?

Looks like the harness does not come with the SESG. Here's a link to the instructions for the XM kit, http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Media/downloads/Service/isheets/-J03640.pdf

Hope this helps, Eric

[Harleypingman]

Take the harness because there is no connector on the SESG2 for the XM module.

Also, it appears that there is an unresolved wiring issue in adding a CB module to the SESG2:

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=54231.0

The problem with the CB module suggests you'll encounter the same problem since XM is another add-on that is wired similarly:  i.e.,  connected to the non-Ultra overlay harness which is what you have with your XM module in the picture.

If the connectors on your harness still have their labels, there is one labeled "interconnect" which, on any 2011 non-CVO fairing model, would connect to connector 6B, "audio harness."  The problem is there is no 6B connector, "audio harness" on the SESG2 (there is on the SESG) to connect the "interconnect" connector to.  I'll bet the wires needed for such a connection are there; they're just not in a separate connector compatible with the non-Ultra overlay harness that is used for adding XM, CB, etc. to a fairing model bike.  In short, your SESG has the 6B connector; the SESG2 does not; and, that connector is used by the take-off harness connector labeled "interconnect."  

Bottom line:  keep your harness, but don't expect to be able to plug and play the XM.

Carl

 

[mjb765]

Not good news, but I guess I will take the harness and see what happens..If the harness is plugged into the radio and the XM module, what does the interconnect part do?  Does anybody know???

Mike

[mwg]

Mike,
Not to hijack the thread but I am getting ready to install the XM w/ harness on my '10 SESG.. is there a particular way the harness should be routed, installed, secured? or just install it however it will fit?

Thanks,
Mike

[Harleypingman]

The harness you have (non-Ultra overlay harness (NUOH), p/n 70169-06) has two connectors to plug into the bike:  (1) the 35-wire connector plugs into the back of the radio; and, (2) the connector labeled "interconnect" plugs into connector 6B on the bike's fairing/interconnect harness, EXCEPT your SESG2 doesn't have that connector BUT your 2010 DID have that 6B connector.  While the SESG and SESG2 may be the same "electrically," they are not the same in terms of the wiring harness inside the fairing.

A competent tech should be able to create the 6B connector that you don't have by using HD parts and tapping/splicing the necessary wires to allow the "interconnect" connector of the NUOH to be connected to the bike's wiring.  All he has to do is locate the wires inside your fairing that a non-CVO SG or other fairing touring model has at connector 6B, and tap/splice those wires and assemble the 6B connector using HD parts.  Said another way, he's simply replicating the wiring of the non-CVO fairing model bike.  He could do the same using the wiring diagram/parts from the SESG since it does have the 6B connector.  Unless you have access to wiring diagrams and/or pulled the fairing on the SESG and saw the "interconnect" connector of the NUOH plugged into the bike's 6B connector, this description seems like so much gibberish.   

The XM module plugs into the NUOH connector labeled "XM."
 
Carl

[mwg]

The harness you have (non-Ultra overlay harness (NUOH), p/n 70169-06) has two connectors to plug into the bike:  (1) the 35-wire connector plugs into the back of the radio; and, (2) the connector labeled "interconnect" plugs into connector 6B on the bike's fairing/interconnect harness,

Carl,
 Thanks for the info.. I assume on a stock SESG (not SESG2) there is a wiring harness that connects the 35 wire pin connector on the back of the radio to connector 6B on the bike's fairing/interconnect harness (?). and when I install the HUOH it will take the place of this wiring (?).

Thanks,
Mike

[mjb765]

Carl,
 Thanks for the info.. I assume on a stock SESG (not SESG2) there is a wiring harness that connects the 35 wire pin connector on the back of the radio to connector 6B on the bike's fairing/interconnect harness (?). and when I install the HUOH it will take the place of this wiring (?).

Thanks,
Mike

If you don't have the harness there is nothing connected to 6B and nothing connected to the 35 pin connector at the back of the radio.....As far as I know......please someone confirm this....

[Harleypingman]

On an SESG, the 35 wire pinout connection on the back of the radio has nothing connected to it; in that respect it's the same as any non-Ultra, non-CVO fairing model.  And the 6B connector on the SESG has nothing connected to it either; the same as a non-Ultra, non-CVO fairing model bike.

It's only when you want to add XM, CB, rear speakers, NAV, and so forth that the NUOH is used.  The NUOH is like an extension cord with one end, if you will, connecting to the bike's 35 wire pinouts on the radio and the 6B connector, and the other "end" consisting of the various connectors that the XM module, CB module, rear speakers, etc. are connected to.  On an Ultra, the 35 wire pinouts of the radio has a connector plugged into it and the connections for the CB, rear speakers, etc. are connected to a harness that is already on the Ultra.

The SESG2 already has a 35 wire connector plugged into the back of the HK radio for the Ipod module (but uses only 4 or 5 of the 35 wire slots available compared to the 30 or so used in your NUOH for adding on the XM, CB, Etc.) and has no provision for adding XM, CB, etc. like the NUOH.  To use the NUOH for the XM on the SESG2, you'll need to disconnect the OEM 35 wire connector, remove the 4 or 5 wires in it (used for the Ipod module), and reinstall them in the NUOH's 35 wire connector (since there is no way to connect the NUOH 35 wire connector while the OEM connector is attached to the radio and is what the Ipod interface module accessory instructions call for when installing the module on a bike that already has a 35 wire connector plugged into the radio) and (I believe, but don't know for sure) replicate (since the SESG2 doesn't have one) the 6B connector needed by the NUOH.  

Carl

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[Harleypingman]

If you don't have the harness there is nothing connected to 6B and nothing connected to the 35 pin connector at the back of the radio.....As far as I know......please someone confirm this....

That's true; except that there is no 6B connector on the SESG2; there is on your SESG.

[Harleypingman]

If you want to replicate the 6B connector so that you can connect the "interconnect" connector from the NUOH, it's pretty easy to do; I did basically the same thing when I retrofitted the Harman Kardon with CB module on my '04 EG.  In my case, the 6B connector on the OEM '04 harness used different wires and a three-wire connector; the 6B I needed, and which I believe is what you need, is a six wire connector (uses 4 of the six chambers available) and tap/splice the wires from the 23-wire connector:  (1) blk/gn pinout 19, goes in slot 6 of the new connector; (2) red/orange pinout 20, goes in slot 3; (3) blue/yellow pinout 2, goes in slot 2; and, (4) violet/gray pinout 15, goes in slot 1.  (Slots 4 and 5 are unused.)  The red/orange wire supplies battery and ground; the blue/yellow wire may not be needed since it's for sidecar; and, the same may be true for the violet/gray wire is for the push to talk switch/mic.  

HD part nos. for 6B connector: 
72116-94BK HarleyDavidson SEALED SOCKET HOUSING
72156-94 HarleyDavidson SECONDARY LOCK,
72191-94 HarleyDavidson Socket terminal (need 4)
72195-94 HarleyDavidson Seal Pin (need 2)


 

[mjb765]

So from what I am reading I just need the power and the ground?

[Harleypingman]

Yes, that appears to be the case from the wiring diagrams.  When I did this on my '04, I simply replicated the 6B connector wiring since it's not significantly more work to do four wires instead of two.

Carl

[mjb765]

Yes, that appears to be the case from the wiring diagrams.  When I did this on my '04, I simply replicated the 6B connector wiring since it's not significantly more work to do four wires instead of two.

Carl

Thanks for your detailed help with all of this..I really appreciate it.......I will try it when I take the bike apart in a few weeks. Only have a few more weeks of nice riding weather and I want to get some miles on the new one that I pick up today!!!

Mike