You know I would not have even know about the goings on on this thread had it not carried over into another thread. As is, I can't believe what I'm reading Far as I know, this site is come one come all Harley folks alike and yes we do on occasion even talk about things non Harley. Now I know that I've given Hubbard his share of bullchit and he's given it back to me and some might even suspect there's some tension there, but I don't think so. I think he and I have differing points of view on a couple of subjects and that's as far as it goes. The thing is for perhaps good reasons, perhaps perverse, I would not enjoy the site anywhere near as much as I do without Hubbard around. SO igonoring the fact that this is Naitram's website and I kinda think he isn't likely to ask ole Hubbard to leave, I believe a lot of the rest of us would also object to that as well. Whatever your issues are you need to get a handle on them and try real hard to remember that this is a FREAKIN CHATROOM DUDE JESUS,MARY AND JOSEPH LIGHTEN UP