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Very interesting reading on CVO performance
« on: October 26, 2010, 03:37:25 PM »

Hi,
In some of my previous post i have been asking questions related to exhausts, tuners, and overall performance.  the reason, i had a 2007 road glide with Redshift cams, Rinehart true duals, thundermax tuner, high flow air cleaner that ran unbelievable and sounded great.  this august, i sold it and bought a 2010 CVO Ultra.  I have about 3,000 miles or so on it and i have been struggling with the thought that my old 07 would probably outrun it through 4th gear?  so after speaking with one of the techs i know pretty well at my local HD dealer, and the e-mail you will read below, both of them recommended the Zippers 575 redshift cams.  none the less, i thought i would cut and paste his comments.  Agree or disagree, a very interesting perspective that i thought i would share with the group.

Nick, you are not alone.  The newer engine is just plain anemic straight from the factory (even the 103 & 110).  In order to pacify the DOT and the EPA (both of which Harley is single handedly to blame for drawing attention to the motorcycle industry) the engines are severely detuned.  My suggestion is to start with Zippers.  They are my go to guys on all things Thunder Max or Zippers.  The engine displacement is big on your bike but you are right, a well tuned 95 incher will run all over the newer engines.  I am going to recommend a set of cams to begin with.  That is a great place to start.

As far as your warranty…pardon my French but f$%* the factory.  They sold you a bill of goods in a warranty.  It isn’t like the car business warranties that you sell at work and that I sold at the Ford store.  The HD extended warranty is just a way of binding you indefinitely to the dealership.  Make no mistake; HD sells an “un-finished” motorcycle to every single customer that buys one.  Even at the $40k mark that yours lists for there is still much to do to meet your expectations.  If I were you I would cancel the extended warranty and use that $$ to buy the go fast chit you want. 

You (and every consumer) are protected by the Magnusson Moss act of 1975.  You can change your bike to suit your needs.  The only thing that Harley can void your warranty on is something directly related to a change you make on their bike which is usually replacing an inferior part they manufacture.  For instance; you could replace your stock 6 speed with the new Baker 7 speed and Harley still has to warranty your radio. 

Harley builds a solid bike (even if it isn’t as fast as you expect) but they know that you will want more power that is why they spend millions to produce Screamin Eagle parts catalog every year.  I just turned 95,000 miles on my Road Glide and I still have the stock top end.  Doesn’t leak, doesn’t burn oil.  If you want to make some horsepower you are going to need to get with one person and listen to them.  I trust Zippers, they have ALWAYS done me right.

You can also email your map to Zippers and they will look it over.  There might some help there too.

You have a ton of money tied up in your bike but that doesn’t mean that you can’t expect a little better performance.  That is why the aftermarket business is so huge.  God bless capitalism!  I hope this helps you.  As always…if I can help you I will.  Have a great day.
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Re: Very interesting reading on CVO performance
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2010, 04:05:54 PM »

At least he's honest.

I think most of us know MOCO wants all our money not just some of it.

I can't speak on the Zippers, but he seems happy with his bike.

Good info.  :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: Very interesting reading on CVO performance
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2010, 04:11:48 PM »

Yeah, 'er 'uh, Crimson,

  Can't comment on the performance of your Bike, as all I know is what I've heard about the 110's, which ain't good.  However, I can vouch for the performance and reliability of Zipper's Performance Products.  Tilley built a Zipper's 120, in my '02 Ultra, that has been bulletproof considering the abuse it has endured.  It will flat out get up outa' here.  We replaced the SE-260 Cams with Red-Shift 647's, for more Top-End speed.  Those guys at Zipper's will not steer you wrong.  Sounds like you friend at the Harley Shop is a straight shooter, too.  :2vrolijk_21: Good Luck.  Later--HUBBARD  
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Re: Very interesting reading on CVO performance
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2010, 04:15:29 PM »

Probably not speaking apples for apples here but I've not found anyone unhappy with the performance of their V-Rod. From stock production models to the Screamin Eagles like mine to folks who've put turbos on them, everyone seems to get what they want from them. Not to say they're the perfect H-D; far from it, they have their own unique set of issues, but getting them to go isn't one of them . I'm thinking the member who just bought the V-Rod bagger custom built for Brad Pitt might well have the best all round motorcycle on this website.


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Re: Very interesting reading on CVO performance
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2010, 04:38:55 PM »

Probably not speaking apples for apples here but I've not found anyone unhappy with the performance of their V-Rod. From stock production models to the Screamin Eagles like mine to folks who've put turbos on them, everyone seems to get what they want from them. Not to say they're the perfect H-D; far from it, they have their own unique set of issues, but getting them to go isn't one of them . I'm thinking the member who just bought the V-Rod bagger custom built for Brad Pitt might well have the best all round motorcycle on this website.


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Re: Very interesting reading on CVO performance
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2010, 04:43:56 PM »

Sounds like your dealer is very straight forward? That's refreshing.  He is spot on regarding his interpretation of the warranty issue.  I also agree with him the extended warranty is not worth it.  As far as performance.  I cant speak for the Red Shift 575 cams but I can speak first hand about the Cycle Rama 575 cam which IMO is excellent.  You would have to compare the specs.  I also have experience with Zippers specifically the ThunderMax Auto Tune.  It actually is a pretty decent product (Albeit Expensive) and Zippers is good to work with.  They spend a good deal of time on research and development.  With that being said, when I bought my 2010 SE Ultra I wanted to try something different.  Thus I went with a TTS MasterTune and a REALLY good tuner and If I am to be honest after having both I would not give up my TTS.  Good luck.

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Re: Very interesting reading on CVO performance
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2010, 04:46:17 PM »

Henry, are you high?  :nixweiss: An Old Man like me needs to ride a Dresser.  :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: Later--HUBBARD

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