Thanks Stu, I agree completely, and will put the $$ in down the road. I understand what your saying about slip ons re sound, I just wasn't sure if some slip ons worked better than others with the 103. When it comes to sound I'm a bit like a little kid, nothing I find sillier than a Harley that makes no sound, just quietly purrs along with its stock pipes. I will change them to the tune of 4 to 5 hundred, thats on the cheap for me. Ya see, I had a new 04 Roadking that the dealer did a stage 1 on w/ screamin eagle pipes, aircleaner, (not sure if there was a download involved) ran great, sounded good too. I will go that route now, just need to know what is feassable. Down the road I'll put a tuner and a set of true duals $$$$$$$$$$ but for now just wondering what was essential with the slip ons......went to my local Harley dealer, but left quite unimpressed with their knowledge or choices, they were pushing Rush and of course Screaming Eagle. He said there was already a stage 1 on the bike in regards to the air cleaner and no download required, but I find they are not always as knowing as they try and appear. Found a small shop up the road that I liked much better, he prefers V & H but suggested I wait and bring the bike up when I get it and see exactly what we have(a suggestion I agreed with 100%, though not suggested by my "friends" at the local H/D) at any rate, any addtl info appreciated, as knowledge is power,.. thanks again