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Re: Boulder in the Primary, normal?
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2011, 11:08:33 AM »

I went back and read somw other threads and based in the information gleened I would recommend you have the entire primary parts removed and inspected for the issues above AND the clutch basket, bearings, auto primary chain adjuster and chain. 

It would take at most 30 minutes more to be sure everything is installed properly and absolutely nothing is damaged in the primary area.

They could assign another experienced mechanic (2nd set of eyes) at the PHD level to be sure all is well.

To me it's good customer relations and just may ensure that the issues is resolved permanently.

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Re: Boulder in the Primary, normal?
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2011, 09:30:03 PM »

ok guys, Yes motor was replace with non HD parts didn't  see putting defective parts back in a already defective engine. So the engine is nolonger HD. The "clank" started after 700 miles of break-in after the new motor was built, never above 3k rpms, did pretty much the original break-in procedure, hopefully going on the DYNO to get a full tune with in the next 2weeks. So I went to check on things, the owner was waiting for me. There senior Tech went into it today along with the tech that reassembled it. then they got the owner involve. They checked everthing, also compaired my compensator to a new compensator. everthing checked out. after looking at it the owner said he was suprised that it just started making noise being the way it all fits together and how the design is of the internals is, he said it looks like it should have done it from the beginning. He wants to make it right. So they are taking it upon themselves to try different things. For now they have installed a stiffer spring to help take up some of the designed slack, not exactly sure what they did but. If that doesn't work he will look at possibly trying to manufacture a different bushing. Idleing in the shop after a test ride it was not "clacking". he did say that HD has a technial name for it which means that they know its an issue but are not ready to fix it basiclly. I also explained the problems from day one that i have had with it, crappy clear coat"still in a problem", the many and extended times in the shop for repairs. I told him that i was already looking at open primarys, and a baker 7spd because i beleave that those are the last of the mechanical parts that HD can't fix and will fail, and i count the noise as a failure waiting the happen, after which i was gonna peal the harley stickers off and make my own to replace them. He want to talk about those problems next week. which is ok with me. due to weather i will not pick it up till saturday in time for a New rider ride that i am helping the dealership with. so we will see if it is quite or if i get to answer question from new owers of why is you bike making that sound. should be interesting. For now i am calm, not happy but just calm about it. we will see. thanks for the replies
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Re: Boulder in the Primary, normal?
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2011, 10:43:12 PM »

Had the same type noise in my primary on the 09 SERG and the SE compensator cured the noise along with Formula+ as lube, 3000 miles and still quiet.   Doc
What is Formula+ as lube? I googled it but didn't get anything.
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Re: Boulder in the Primary, normal?
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2011, 07:01:04 AM »

What is Formula+ as lube? I googled it but didn't get anything.
FORMULA+ Transmission and Primary Chaincase Lubricant


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Re: Boulder in the Primary, normal?
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2011, 07:00:37 PM »

It's good to know that when I get real stupid and senile and the FAA suspends my airframe & powerplant license where I can no longer maintain aircraft, I will at least be able to get a mechanic's job at a H-D dealership!
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Re: Boulder in the Primary, normal?
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2011, 10:38:53 AM »

I'll admit up front that I'm too lazy to go out in the garage and look in my '08 SE manual to find out the answer to the question I'm going to ask below.  But this might be a good place to have it "written" in black and white versus just being in the manual for anyone that has a manual.

Just a quick question.

Is there a tool that locks into the teeth on the compensator to hold it while torquing, or is there something that connects to the clutch basket and you use the chain and clutch basket to hold the compensator while torquing?

Many years ago while working on snowmobiles, in similar cases like this, the factory just said to put a brass drift between the chain and sprocket to "lock" up the rotation of a shaft while you do your tightening or loosening of a particular part.

Thanks.
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Re: Boulder in the Primary, normal?
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2011, 01:37:31 PM »

I'll admit up front that I'm too lazy to go out in the garage and look in my '08 SE manual to find out the answer to the question I'm going to ask below.  But this might be a good place to have it "written" in black and white versus just being in the manual for anyone that has a manual.

Just a quick question.

Is there a tool that locks into the teeth on the compensator to hold it while torquing, or is there something that connects to the clutch basket and you use the chain and clutch basket to hold the compensator while torquing?

Many years ago while working on snowmobiles, in similar cases like this, the factory just said to put a brass drift between the chain and sprocket to "lock" up the rotation of a shaft while you do your tightening or loosening of a particular part.

Thanks.

Yes...   :)
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Re: Boulder in the Primary, normal?
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2011, 01:39:36 PM »

You can find a locking tool here...

http://georges-garage.com/trans_06_up.htm

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Re: Boulder in the Primary, normal?
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2011, 07:04:19 PM »

With the SE compensator you don't need the locking tool as the outer compensator has a big nut on it that you can easily use a cresent wrench on while torqueing the bolt to keep everything from turning.
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Re: Boulder in the Primary, normal?
« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2011, 08:13:38 PM »

had a lot of noise in the primary and dealer said normal, had the factory rep ride the bike and they replaced the compensator with the screamin eagle one and all is well now
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