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120R stock 266E cam vs. Woods 408-6 cam dyno chart
« on: May 14, 2011, 10:05:59 PM »

A month ago I posted a dyno run showing HP, TQ & air/fuel of my 120R engine on my '11 cvo SG without it being professionally tuned, just v-tuning it myself using TTS. I stated that I intended to remove the SE 266E cams and install Woods 408-6 cams, all else remaining the same (D&D BossZilla exhaust, 58 mm EFI TB, 5.3 g/s injectors, Roland Sands Turbine air cleaner). Today I took my bike to the same shop & had a few dyno runs of the Woods 408-6 cam, again, just self tuning.

Scott at Hillside told me I'd get better low rpm TQ performance, which is what I want, so I purchased the Woods cam from him. From the comparison below with both cams on the same chart, I think he's right. I rarely wind the motor out to 5700 rpms. In order to be totally objective, I should have fully tuned both cams, but I didn't want to pay for two tunes, instead, if one cam stood out I'd stick with it and get the motor professionally tuned, which I now intend to do.

From the chart below, the Woods cam appears to outperform Harley's stock cam across the torque curve. I picked up 10 ft./lbs. of torque, and crossed 100 TQ at about 2,350 rpm, way sooner than the 266E cam, which is at 2,900 rpm. HP was also improved across all rpm ranges except at 5800 rpm where the Harley cam barley pulled ahead by 1 HP.

Despite the potential flaws with my own tuning, the torque on the Woods cam, tuned by me, equals or comes close to, what I've heard, is a professional tune on a 120R motor with the 266E cam. Despite the fact there are differences in the tune of the air/fuel for the two cams at WOT, where the air fuel mixtures cross each other, at 3,600 rpm, the Woods cam outperforms the 266 cam by 15-20 ft./lbs of torque. This was all done without any geometry adjustments, just plug & play. I'm hoping with a good tune the numbers are even better, so we'll see. I attached the file below.




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Re: 120R stock 266E cam vs. Woods 408-6 cam dyno chart
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2011, 08:48:23 AM »

Did you ever take into consideration, the cam timing differential vs. its effect on cylinder pressure   ???
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Here is 1 of several I've done for this dealer.
120R: set compression to work with the 266 cams, and a. small amount of intake bowl fluff = this result.
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Re: 120R stock 266E cam vs. Woods 408-6 cam dyno chart
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2011, 10:18:28 AM »

What did you set the compression at john?
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Re: 120R stock 266E cam vs. Woods 408-6 cam dyno chart
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2011, 11:55:31 AM »

I happen to like the stock cam and agree with John
There are reasons delaying the exhaust open and making the intake close earlier will put more torque under the riding envelope but with a light head mill the stocker will do the same and not cull any power, actually it will rise.
I like the 120r and just some improvement is all they need to be a real winner in my book, cam not one of those.
Another factor to consider is when the torque hits 125+ under 3k you will be searching for a clutch that will hook and last. I do not mean a centrifugal add-on either, more friction area, heavier spring pressure, higher coefficient of friction material. This is the case with the stock or modified 120r motor.
As always a good pipe and tune are essential.
To the OP I am sure you will like the result when you get a proper tune. Change the clutch before getting the tune done, if you haven't already done so. I am biased, admittedly, and like Barnett products.
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Re: 120R stock 266E cam vs. Woods 408-6 cam dyno chart
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2011, 01:40:28 AM »

I like the top end of my 266 cam. It doesn't appear to kick on as strong as the 408 cam, but my party don't start until I'm at 3k rpm or more. I'm over 110lbs of tq at 2k rpm and my party don't start for me until 3k rpm. So the 408 wouldn't be necessary for my application. The 408 pulls like a mule, but I believe the 266 has better top end. Maybe one of you forum buffs could chime in here.

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Re: 120R stock 266E cam vs. Woods 408-6 cam dyno chart
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2011, 10:06:49 AM »

Here's a dyno chart sent in from Al at Hot Rod Harley.

Bone Stock 120R, Fullsac B Pipe. Very smooth TQ curve for such a big cam.
It would seem the big 120 inch motor has a tendacy to smooth things out.
Has me thinking about a 117 for myself.  :2vrolijk_21:

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Re: 120R stock 266E cam vs. Woods 408-6 cam dyno chart
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2011, 10:29:12 AM »

Here's a dyno chart sent in from Al at Hot Rod Harley.

Bone Stock 120R, Fullsac B Pipe. Very smooth TQ curve for such a big cam.
It would seem the big 120 inch motor has a tendacy to smooth things out.
Has me thinking about a 117 for myself.  :2vrolijk_21:

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Re: 120R stock 266E cam vs. Woods 408-6 cam dyno chart
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2011, 04:39:23 PM »

TTS tuner?
My quess is TTS or SEST. No way Al would use a PC.

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