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Re: Ride Like a Pro Course...Would you use your CVO?
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2011, 11:59:59 AM »

I've taken it twice, both times with my CVO ElectraGlide

He wanted to be closer to the ground in case he fell. :huepfenlol2:
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Re: Ride Like a Pro Course...Would you use your CVO?
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2011, 12:14:31 PM »

Yes there is a more extensive motor officer course however, you have to complete the basic RLAP course first and I believe that he requires more miles under your belt than the 2k that they ask for you to have before you take the RLAP.  And, I can only assume, the instructor wants to be sure that you have the basic skills first before they try to take you to the next level.

 I went to the WVA hog rally this past week end were the founder of ride like a pro and hie crew put on a very impressive show I was so impressed that i gave 60.00$ for 3 dvds i have been watching them and it seems to me the class would be very hard on the clutch comments please.

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Re: Ride Like a Pro Course...Would you use your CVO?
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2011, 12:18:01 PM »

He wanted to be closer to the ground in case he fell. :huepfenlol2:

Doesn't hurt!  :D
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Re: Ride Like a Pro Course...Would you use your CVO?
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2011, 12:43:33 PM »

it seems to me the class would be very hard on the clutch comments please.

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Presenting the demo that they do, several a week, must eat up a few clutch packs yearly.
Taking the class ~ half a day should be fine.
I wonder how different the hydaulic clutch vs a cable system is for this, or is it???

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Re: Ride Like a Pro Course...Would you use your CVO?
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2011, 12:56:04 PM »

Presenting the demo that they do, several a week, must eat up a few clutch packs yearly.
Taking the class ~ half a day should be fine.
I wonder how different the hydaulic clutch vs a cable system is for this, or is it???

Kevin

Yep, was wondering the same thing.  :-\

On a similar note...do any of you find keeping the bike 'in the friction zone' is harder with the hydraulic clutch vs. the cable?
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Re: Ride Like a Pro Course...Would you use your CVO?
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2011, 01:10:12 PM »

Yep, was wondering the same thing.  :-\

On a similar note...do any of you find keeping the bike 'in the friction zone' is harder with the hydraulic clutch vs. the cable?

I had no issues whatsoever.
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Re: Ride Like a Pro Course...Would you use your CVO?
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2011, 02:19:41 PM »

I had no issues whatsoever.

Yep, you were ridin like an old man long before I got old. :zroflmao:  May be the reason I'm all busted up and you're not. :(
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Re: Ride Like a Pro Course...Would you use your CVO?
« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2011, 03:29:07 PM »

The choice of your bike or one of my training bikes is up to the rider. Everyone one of us is different and has different ways of learning. As you can imagine I get ALL kinds of riders in the course. To some of the IronButt guys a parking lot drop is nothing. They have dumped their Aspencade GoldWings and Airhead Bimmers on dirt, gravel, grass, sand and to them another scrape, ding or gouge is like a badge of honor. Then I get the guys with 40K CVOs works of art, and to them a scrape is tantamount to a Joe Theismann compound fracture.

The thing I find is that if a rider is hesitant they will have difficulty commiting themselves to some of the exercise. Some of those exercises, like the full lock u-turn from a stop JC was talking about require a commited lean to the inside. I see it all the time, a rider starts a nice tight turn, and then suddenly uprights the bike and pulls out. They just don't want risk dropping their bike, and I don't blame them. But a motorcycle is a motorcycle is a motorcycle. All the mechanics and physics are the same. The seating position and controls may be ergonomically different, but the controls are located in the same area and operate the same way. The friction zone on a Ninja operates the same way as a friction zone on a Sportster. The rear brake on a Yamaha V-Star works the same way as the rear brake on a RT BMW. And a snapping chin on the shoulder head turn works is the same for all bikes. The benefit to a training bike is that it allows the rider to relax and NOT worry about their bike. This will let them focus and concentrate on learning the material. If they dump a KZ1000 police bike, they just pick it up, start it and continue on. Since the technique is exactly the same, they can go home and practice on their own bike and them return and repeat the course on their own bike. If a rider wants to use their own bike in class, no problem. But if they are going to spend the whole course worrying about NOT dropping it and damaging it they will probably not get as much out of the class as they could. Plus worrying is neither fun or enjoyable, and learning and practicing is always easier when you are having fun.

As for the clutches, one class is NOT going to destroy a clutch unless you are abusing it. In it's life time old '01 Ultra only saw two clutches and I rode that thing hard in class just about every weekend. Hydraulic or cable is no different to me. The Hydro may be easier and smoother but it all works the same.

I don't offer the motor officer prep course very often as I am VERY SELECTIVE about the attendees. I have to be confident that they have mastery of the basic RLAP techniques as the risk factor is greater. And that course requires the KZ1000 police bike because it will get dumped several times. And most of the exercises come right from the LAPD and are designed for that specific bike frame at a full lock with a hard lean. That fugitive "TrapperDog" took the course. He can tell you about it when he comes back from the road.
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Re: Ride Like a Pro Course...Would you use your CVO?
« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2011, 03:39:02 PM »

I had no issues whatsoever.

X2  .

Your feathering the clutch ever so slightly, not with the motor racing......and there are periods of time between each exercise where you're doing the classroom part or observing the instructor do it, that the bike has time to cool down between each course.
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Re: Ride Like a Pro Course...Would you use your CVO?
« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2011, 05:18:00 PM »

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Considering the prices Harley charges for CVO painted parts, I'd probably rent a bike for the day.
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Exactly!! Not worth an insurance claim either, they're not sympathetic at all no matter if it was to improve riding skills.
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Re: Ride Like a Pro Course...Would you use your CVO?
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2011, 06:31:49 PM »

Yep, you were ridin like an old man long before I got old. :zroflmao:  May be the reason I'm all busted up and you're not. :(

Funny, but I don't ever remember you losing me... ;D
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« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2011, 08:47:27 PM »

Why bother taking the course if you don't use the bike you always ride.  Protect your bike as much as possible and go for it.  Yes we luv our CVO bikes and don't want to damage them but that is the one you want to do those sweet slow maneuvers with!  Good luck and let us know how you do.  BTW in the video the gal rocks those slow maneuvers!  I'm just saying.  LOL!
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Re: Ride Like a Pro Course...Would you use your CVO?
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2011, 12:00:37 AM »

Why bother taking the course if you don't use the bike you always ride.  Protect your bike as much as possible and go for it. 

Good point. The thing I try and keep in mind is that every rider is different and not everyone has the same level of skill and confidence as one would like. If all the riders who showed up for class had the same command, control and confidence as you my job would be easy. Everyone would be locking handlebars and dragging boards like you do. My fault is that I tend to err on the side of caution. I tell riders to strip their personal bikes, cover the crash bars with heavy heater hose, pull the mirrors and bags and so on. But even in those protected conditions I have seen bikes go all the way over and scuff and gouge a fairing or dent a gas tank. Then there is always risk of injury. I've seen riders injure themselves by trying HOLD up their own bike from toppling over and getting damaged. They stand there on one leg fighting gravity trying to force that 900 pound motorcycle upright using their wrists and shoulders.

Like I said, I let the rider choose what they want to do. I just don't like to see some guys beloved bike get scuffed, scratched, dented and dinged. And after that first drop and dent, all they do is go W-I-D-E and S-L-O-W on the rest of the exercises keeping the bike upright.

On a side note, people react differently when they drop bikes. Some riders pick 'em up, shake themselves off and ride on. Others come over to me and ask what they did to drop the bike and seek corrective action. And others get all flustered and frustrated and I need to calm 'em down. Some even apologize to me for dropping my training bike that they rented. I find that comical and ask them, "Would you rather have dumped my bike, or yours? I guess you got your moneys worth out of the rental today." Then they laugh.
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Re: Ride Like a Pro Course...Would you use your CVO?
« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2011, 01:22:58 AM »

I've seen em drop their bike in your class and they stood there like they were waiting for you to yell at them. :huepfenlol2:
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Re: Ride Like a Pro Course...Would you use your CVO?
« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2011, 02:32:30 AM »

Huge difference between what's in that video (basic riding skills) and Ride Like A Pro course.  You take the Ride Like A Pro course, you may rethink your comment above.

Sorry JCZ, it wasn't my intention to make "Ride Like A Pro" less worth,
or that's just easy stuff to do. The video should just show, that you should use
your own bike. We are still on the learning curve (over here), never will reach the "pro". 8)

BTW, I have a the Ride Like A Pro-DVD.

2/3 of the training is paid out of insurance_pot, to improve rider-skills.
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