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Re: Another thought on over heat issue.
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2011, 06:36:11 PM »

That is sold by Harley Dealers but the program is managed and administered by a third party just like they are here in the states (look at the bottom line(s) on the brochure you posted). In essence you have an Extended Service Plan (ESP) just like we have here.


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Agree.  The term 'warranty' is loosely used for sure.  Notice that the Harley | Extended Warranty has the trademark symbol.  It is more advertising/marketing hype than a true warranty imo.  As d00d said, it is managed and administered by an insurance company.  Any guess as to who calls the shots as to whether a repair is covered?  I'll wager that it is not the motor company.
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Re: Another thought on over heat issue.
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2011, 06:50:30 PM »

Agree.  The term 'warranty' is loosely used for sure.  Notice that the Harley | Extended Warranty has the trademark symbol.  It is more advertising/marketing hype than a true warranty imo.  As d00d said, it is managed and administered by an insurance company.  Any guess as to who calls the shots as to whether a repair is covered?  I'll wager that it is not the motor company.
Very true. it is really an extended service plan, hence, ESP. if you ever hear the phrase "fender to fender" or "gas and go", thats BS. no such animal
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Re: Another thought on over heat issue.
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2011, 09:37:20 PM »

Well Guys, we will have to agree to disagree, as the local Dealer takes very good care of me... HE says this is an extension of the HD Warranty and is treated as such.  If he did not honour it, he would lose me, and myself and my organization have sold at least 5 bikes for him in the past 12 months.....  I suspect he is on the level...

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Re: Another thought on over heat issue.
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2011, 09:46:36 AM »

Well Guys, we will have to agree to disagree, as the local Dealer takes very good care of me... HE says this is an extension of the HD Warranty and is treated as such.  If he did not honour it, he would lose me, and myself and my organization have sold at least 5 bikes for him in the past 12 months.....  I suspect he is on the level...

Best regards from Oz, stay safe out there....

This is a game of semantics used by the dealers.  They call it an extended "warranty", and you can look at it that way, but it actually should be referred to as an Extended Service Plan.  After your 2 year MOCO warranty is up, any issues you have that are covered under the ESP will not be decided by the MOCO or your dealer, but rather by the folks administering the ESP.  For you, it should appear to be a seamless process as far as your interaction with the dealer, but the work performed will NOT be reimbursed to the dealer by the MOCO, but by the insurance company providing the ESP.  If the ESP administrator decides against the claim, your dealer MIGHT step up, but it will be totally on his dime and not the MOCO.  The dealer would be doing the work for free, in essence.  You may have an exceptional dealer, but I'd be willing to bet you money that he will not eat the cost of a motor replacement/repair, or any other major expensive repair job.  In all probability, you will never have a problem with a claim on the ESP...the work will be done, the dealer will be paid from the ESP folks, and you are a happy customer.  From what you experience, HD fixed your bike, so all is good. But the 3 extra years you purchased is NOT backed by the MOCO.  That is a fact, and semantics does not change that fact.  After you pay the deductable on the insurance claim, you pick the bike up and go on your merry way...you're happy, the dealer gets his money...everything is cool.  Hopefully, you'll never need to use the ESP, just like you always hope you'll never have to file a claim with your insurance company for a wreck.  ESP's work the same for cars as they do for bikes.
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Re: Another thought on over heat issue.
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2011, 02:53:16 PM »


Here is the easiest way to differentiate between a real factory warranty, a factory extended warranty, and all the variations of service contracts/insurance policies, etc. that the marketing folks call extended warranties.

If you paid for it, it is not a factory warranty or a factory extended warranty.  It is a service contract. 

And here's what a real factory extended warranty is.  Consider the case of the original Twin Cam engines back in 1999-2000, where there were early cam bearing failures.  The management of Harley decided to extend the coverage beyond the standard warranty for a period of 5 years or 50,000 miles if I remember correctly.  This did not cost the customer anything.  I saw a lot of this in the auto industry over the years, where we would extend coverage automatically on things that had higher than normal failure rates even though the issue didn't qualify for a recall.  It provided customer assistance at a lower cost than a full blown recall, since we only repaired the X% that actually failed.   

Harley-Davidson is paid by the service contract folks for the use of their name and trademark, and the dealer is paid a profit when you buy that service contract.  The rest of the money goes to the insurance company or other entity that actually administers the program, and it covers repair costs as well as administrative costs plus a profit.  So all the folks who buy these plans are the ones paying collectively for the repairs, not H-D or the dealer.  It's just like other insurance products in that regard. 

Read the actual contract rather than just listen to a salesman.  They are allowed to call those plans whatever they want for marketing purposes, but when you get to the legal contracts you will find that they are required to spell it out a little more clearly.  And they often have different rules and restrictions than the real factory warranty.


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Re: Another thought on over heat issue.
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2011, 03:07:48 PM »

Sorry y'all, but is the extended service plan or warranty now causing overheating problems???
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Re: Another thought on over heat issue.
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2011, 03:32:55 PM »

Sorry y'all, but is the extended service plan or warranty now causing overheating problems???

Probably.  The fact that they are necessary due to the poor quality of the product tends to make some folks kind of hot.


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Re: Another thought on over heat issue.
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2011, 04:43:32 PM »

Probably.  The fact that they are necessary due to the poor quality of the product tends to make some folks kind of hot.


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Re: Another thought on over heat issue.
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2011, 04:46:53 PM »

I think I have some 1935 shop dope about front cylinder over heating on the hi compression VLD...

somewhere in all my chitncrap...they would cut the rod skirt out of the case...air cooling is hot...
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Re: Another thought on over heat issue.
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2011, 04:52:49 PM »

Probably.  The fact that they are necessary due to the poor quality of the product tends to make some folks kind of hot.


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Re: Another thought on over heat issue.
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2011, 12:25:32 AM »

Did we all forget that HD is not an oil refinery there oil goes out to the lowest bid so the old adage you get what you pay for... This was some data I gathered and yes I am saying amsiol does and still does run cooler in both my HD's. my dealer also sells amsoil and full warranty coverage with it being used.
Extended warranty is looked after by an insurance company read the really fine print. :orange: :mango:
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Re: Another thought on over heat issue.
« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2011, 12:54:32 AM »

Well Guys, we will have to agree to disagree, as the local Dealer takes very good care of me... HE says this is an extension of the HD Warranty and is treated as such.  If he did not honour it, he would lose me, and myself and my organization have sold at least 5 bikes for him in the past 12 months.....  I suspect he is on the level...

Best regards from Oz, stay safe out there....
These guys are telling you correctly: http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=29458.msg478519#msg478519
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