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smiley1049

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Primary side crank runout
« on: November 03, 2011, 08:49:25 PM »

Can anyone explain to me how you go about measuring the primary side crank runout as it is a splined shaft and the compensator is not a machined fit on the splines I pulled my compensator off because it was noisy to check for wear and my indy said it looked like it had 80 k miles on it so as I was already there I would try to measure the runout ?
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Re: Primary side crank runout
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2011, 05:52:06 AM »


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Re: Primary side crank runout
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2011, 08:08:37 PM »

no one has any ideas
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Re: Primary side crank runout
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2011, 08:35:52 PM »

You have to remove a lot of stuff to do it properly.  :o If you have a lot of time on your hands, and want to do it ,pm me and I'll walk you through it..........
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Re: Primary side crank runout
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2011, 06:01:58 AM »

As far as I am aware, the critical side is the Cam chest side, thats where the damage is done, nothing critical on the primary side.
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Re: Primary side crank runout
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2011, 01:57:31 PM »

As far as I am aware, the critical side is the Cam chest side, thats where the damage is done, nothing critical on the primary side.

my understanding as well....
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Re: Primary side crank runout
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2011, 02:51:03 PM »

As far as I am aware, the critical side is the Cam chest side, thats where the damage is done, nothing critical on the primary side.

Too much slop compounded by a heavy torque load is a poor recipe for an uncaged roller bearing. 
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Re: Primary side crank runout
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2011, 01:42:13 AM »

Sorry I didn't see what year bike your talking about, on the earlier ones the crank runout was set with the spacer between the timken bearings on the sprocket shaft., and yes if you want to check it on either old or new it takes some time and work.
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Re: Primary side crank runout
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2011, 07:16:11 PM »

Cam side tears up oil pump and cam plate bushing & vibrates
Sprocket side vibrates like hell and can tear out the stator / rotor and compensator

http://www.box.com/s/kh0vh01xi0q9t2tcz1e0

« Last Edit: December 06, 2011, 07:33:50 PM by Deweysheads »
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Re: Primary side crank runout
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2011, 02:50:37 PM »

...................and generally raises hell with the entire primary drive, to include the chain, and clutch shell bearing as well.
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Re: Primary side crank runout
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2011, 07:33:50 PM »

I don't get one side being worse than another, it all spells trouble.
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Re: Primary side crank runout
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2011, 09:28:21 PM »


 on the earlier ones the crank runout was set with the spacer between the timken bearings on the sprocket shaft., and yes if you want to check it on either old or new it takes some time and work.

The terms are sometimes mixed.  But don't confuse runout and end play.
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Re: Primary side crank runout
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2011, 10:13:11 PM »

The terms are sometimes mixed.  But don't confuse runout and end play.
Yep, my mistake, I was talking about end play not run out.
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Re: Primary side crank runout
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2011, 11:03:56 PM »

 :jack:

I have a question about a crank scissoring.

On some small motors of old, I've seen a crankshaft with a counterweight and just a pin sticking out that the rod attaches to, nothing past the rod.

My thought ,question, if the crank pin on our twins is pressed between our two counterweight flywheels and the resistance load is only on the primary side, how would lugging or popping wheelies spin the crank out of true?  There is not enough load from the cam chest area course the crank pin to spin.

I cannot envision the primary load of any amount to cause the cam side to go out as its just along for the ride so to speak.

I'm just throwing this thought out to be pondered.

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Re: Primary side crank runout
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2011, 12:06:55 AM »

Picture a rotating Harley crank assembly.  Now picture the left (drive) side being snatched to a halt (a worst-case scenario) by what it's connected to via its center journal.  What will the right side want to do?  It's pretty heavy and it's only pumping oil and operating the valves through the camshafts.  Won't its momentum tend to make it want to continue rotating?  If it gets to, any at all, won't it spin a little on the crank pin if it can overcome the friction between that pin and either of the wheels?  Don't forget that when something like that sudden stop happens, there's going to be a lot of force on the left side journal trying pull that journal out of the common centerline with the other side's journal, and this will ease the right-side wheel's effort to spin upon the crank pin, bringing the two journals into a parallel arrangement.  You don't want the journal centers to be parallel.  You want just one centerline, not two.

Of course, if both center journals are held sufficiently in position in line with each other and the pin is held sufficiently by both wheels this couldn't happen, but are the two journals held that well by the bearings in their bores?  Is the pin held sufficiently by the wheels?  Evidently not in every case because cranks like Harley's scissor.

It's easier for me to picture this happening by hard deceleration of the left wheel than by merely operating at a lower engine speed on a regular basis.  Hard deceleration of the left wheel is easy to see happening by sudden downshifting without matching engine speed to the new gear, or by somehow locking up the rear wheel.  It's not so easy for me to see it happening sufficiently because of motoring down the highway at 2k RPM and adding some throttle.
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