History lesson? I know all those guy's I listed, plus probably a few I forgot, have a history of putting together great performance builds as well as handing out loads of usefull advice. Don't know how they can be called know nothings and simon says type repeating robots. They are well respected, AND, well respected by thier peers.
If you have nothing good to say, then, awe forget it....son 
History lesson refering to Doc, Grock who left, and a MULTITUDE of others............
I did not refer to those you listed, you did.
Simon says, is refering to how the VTF higher-ups, and cohorts, played that type of game with us over there, so, you do need to brush up on the WWW History Lesson 101...............
One more little tidbit, the internals over there were/are actively read the PM's. Fact.
Doc 1, knows the whole story as well.............