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[SERK3]

Loud pipes do save lives    and as far as being to LOUD , Its like ROCK -n- ROLL if its to LOUD your to old    lol

 

[MadCVORG]

Like I tell my buds:  I don't want you to hear me riding, I want you to FEEL it.  A drive-by on my olf Fat Boy sounds like a P-47 on a strafing run.  And my CVO sounds like an M-4 Sherman.....

[cvobiker]

Like I tell my buds:  I don't want you to hear me riding, I want you to FEEL it.  A drive-by on my olf Fat Boy sounds like a P-47 on a strafing run.  And my CVO sounds like an M-4 Sherman.....

YUP and if you ride by me,, I hope you all pass Mr. CHP 

[grc]

Like I tell my buds:  I don't want you to hear me riding, I want you to FEEL it.  A drive-by on my olf Fat Boy sounds like a P-47 on a strafing run.  And my CVO sounds like an M-4 Sherman.....

Sounds like some more of that BS anonymous internet bravado so common these days.  Of course, if we assume you and many others really do think being that loud and obnoxious is cool, it's not hard to figure out why so many places are passing noise ordinances and targetting bikers.  You know, there is only a one letter difference between "cool" and "fool".  I'd like to personally thank all the "fools" for the added attention the rest of us get from law enforcement and legislators across this country.  It really takes a lot of brains to continually poke a sleeping bear with a stick.


Jerry

[Rio]

Sounds like some more of that BS anonymous internet bravado so common these days.  Of course, if we assume you and many others really do think being that loud and obnoxious is cool, it's not hard to figure out why so many places are passing noise ordinances and targetting bikers.  You know, there is only a one letter difference between "cool" and "fool".  I'd like to personally thank all the "fools" for the added attention the rest of us get from law enforcement and legislators across this country.  It really takes a lot of brains to continually poke a sleeping bear with a stick.


Jerry

YOUR VERY WELCOME!

[SERK3]

YOUR VERY WELCOME!

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[RedDevil]

You know guys, and gals, in all my years teaching MSF Basic and Advance Rider's courses, I never once heard that a cager had and accident with a bike because he/she didn't hear it.  Unless you are running side firing, or forward firing pipes (which I've only seen on Paul Jr's monster trike that he built), your sound is being directed behind you, and if a cager has their windows closed, stereo on, and talking on the cell phone (which about 90% of the cagers do now days), they aren't going to hear you regardles how loud your pipes are.  Todays cars are so much more isolated from road noises than they used to be.  Your best chance of survival?  Conspicuity....being seen!!!!  Stay out of their blind spot, light up the rear end and front end, don't take the side reflectors off!!  (I know that's heresy on this forum).  If you wear black or dark clothing, get the newer jackets with the reflective piping on it.  Be seen, give yourself a fighting chance out there.  65% of the accidents involving a cage and motorcyclist are because the driver of the cage, didn't SEE the bike, not hear it.  Loud pipes do not save lives, they just annoy people and the local LEs.   

And now back to your regularly schedule program.

[djkak]

....Loud pipes do not save lives, they just annoy people and the local LEs.   

And now back to your regularly schedule program.

That is so true. The ATV folks have it figured out with their slogan “Loud Pipes Lose Rights”. If the argument from the motorcycling community is that we are not safe with quiet pipes, we should be careful what we wish for. The problem has become a political “quality of life” issue for some, and when these folks get enough juice to make sure that we are all safe, we will wish that we were living on the edge.

[Rio]

Hell, we could argue all sorts of crap that fall into this funnel.  Some people feel they need to give spelling lessons!  People that ride a Harley because it sounds like a Harley, its a nonsense bad boy culture  that is fueled by marketing geniuses!  I guess you can make that generalization about guns, abortion, helmet laws any any other topic of this "feel good" generation.

Bottom line...AZzzz H@loes screw it up for everyone else by giving the people that sit behind a desk and develop policies and laws to take away the right of those that have respect.

I ride a Harley, it will always sound like a Harley.  If it was about comfort, speed, gadgets, and quiet, I would have bought anything BUT a Harley. If it gets to the point where they take that away, it's time to find another feel good vice.

LOL

[RedDevil]

Hell, we could argue all sorts of crap that fall into this funnel.  Some people feel they need to give spelling lessons!  People that ride a Harley because it sounds like a Harley, its a nonsense bad boy culture  that is fueled by marketing geniuses!  I guess you can make that generalization about guns, abortion, helmet laws any any other topic of this "feel good" generation.

Bottom line...AZzzz H@loes screw it up for everyone else by giving the people that sit behind a desk and develop policies and laws to take away the right of those that have respect.

I ride a Harley, it will always sound like a Harley.  If it was about comfort, speed, gadgets, and quiet, I would have bought anything BUT a Harley. If it gets to the point where they take that away, it's time to find another feel good vice.

LOL

I know people are going to get loud pipes because they want loud pipes.  Each to his own.  My point is, don't ride on the safety bandwagon as the reason for having loud pipes.  IMO, you don't have to have loud pipes for your Harley to "sound" like a harley.  Both of my bikes aren't loud, but they both "sound" like Harleys.  At least to me they do.  Loud pipes ridden responsibly, will be continue to be allowed. Unfortunately, there are those that have loud pipes that don't ride responsibly in the areas they should.  I.e., housing areas, downtown main street, etc, and they're the ones that are going to ruin it for everyone.  Louder pipes do not raise the testoterone level one bit, well maybe mentally.  The gentleman that said his loud pipes keep the druggies off the street, probably was more because of the LE cruiser following him, more than his loud pipe.  

[T-Hawk]

As already said, there's Loud... and there's obnoxious... but I must add that there's another.  The only way to describe it is !?!?!

While riding the new bike along a stretch of 65mph highway next to one of the rivers South of Fairbanks, I couldn't help but hear another MC with what could only be described as LOUD pipes.  While checking mirrors and the road ahead I couldn't see anything that would be making such sounds.  Not having cared for the last song that was on the radio I had the volume turned down so I could enjoy the new sounds from the gutted stock pipes on the Ultra.  They sound pretty good, and know that I had to have just barely heard one of those lame commercials on the radio, because there shouldn't be any way that I just heard another bike.

As I was approaching a left curve, the sound from the other bike was just getting louder and louder...

Turns out, as I was rounding the curve, so was this old 'rat' bike...  I could hear him from more than a 1/4 mile away, coming at me from the direction I was heading.

This guy is either completely deaf, or has some of the best ear plugs money can buy.  It got so loud as he was passing me going the other direction that I thought I was riding one of those Goldwing things with all their whisper quiet exhaust systems.

It was only after we both got to the other side of the curve that I could again hear my own bike again.

Anyway, just my thoughts...

Ride Responsibly, on the Defense, and within your own limits and everything should be fine 

[Twolanerider]

It's often fun (or not) discussing and debating what we like or don't like.  How it makes us "feel" and what it should be to sound like a Harley.  What's so often left out of that discussion (alluded to by DJ above) is that when taken too far for too long or done so in the wrong place at the wrong time it'll simply no longer be our decision.

The road system isn't built for motorcycles.  The road system, from surface streets to the Interstates, is there for the purposes of the mass transportation as that transport supports a national economy.  If there wasn't this large societal benefit for it society wouldn't build it.

As riders we are such a statistically small cohort of the system's users that suggesting the system be tailored in any way to our need is preposterous.  We're lucky we've got this great playground to particpate on.  But it's not built with us in mind.  Primary rules aren't tailored to our needs.  Even basic safety guidelines for the road system are designed for cages and trucks.  We are an afterthought.  And that's how it should be.

As such we do ourselves a service by doing what we can to just be left alone.  Left alone by legislators and bureaucrats as they craft administrative guidelines and legislation.  The only time they are going to do significant rule making with us in mind is when they've noticed something they don't like often enough for it to be psychologically, administratively or economically annoying.  That will never be good for us.

To be left alone to enjoy the system we can't be overt nuisances.  We can't be too stupid too often.  And we can't rub the nose of the general population in habits or behaviors we might think are fun just because we like them.  If you've got to hear the pipes open it up out in the country.  Don't think it's at all funny to set of a neighborhood's car alarms.  Don't wheelie down a crowded interstate or in a parking lot full of civilians. 

The attention you draw isn't just to your (own stupid) self, it's to all of us.  I enjoy using the road system as my playground without being any more bothered by guidelines than I already am.  All I ask of government is that it leaves me alone.  I don't want anything special from it just because I'm on a bike.  Just let me use the system and leave me alone.  Government won't do that if society's collective nose is too often rubbed in behaviors we can do "just because we can" or because a few like them.

[hwyfever]

Amen to that...  Could not have been said better. 

[cvobiker]

Sounds like some more of that BS anonymous internet bravado so common these days.  Of course, if we assume you and many others really do think being that loud and obnoxious is cool, it's not hard to figure out why so many places are passing noise ordinances and targetting bikers.  You know, there is only a one letter difference between "cool" and "fool".  I'd like to personally thank all the "fools" for the added attention the rest of us get from law enforcement and legislators across this country.  It really takes a lot of brains to continually poke a sleeping bear with a stick.


Jerry

Jerry, you said it    These guys that must be heard and 'felt',, and i mean the obnoxious one's that think their P51 pilots, are doing nothing worse then getting the attention of our government legislatures to take away the rights we now enjoy..  It wont be long and we''ll all be riding sewing machines.. There are limits with our exhaust 'notes' and 95% of us here get it... I wish that wee 5% had half a brain to figure out what they're really doing to our riding sport  

[cvobiker]

Bottom line...AZzzz H@loes screw it up for everyone else by giving the people that sit behind a desk and develop policies and laws to take away the right of those that have respect.

I ride a Harley, it will always sound like a Harley.  If it was about comfort, speed, gadgets, and quiet, I would have bought anything BUT a Harley. If it gets to the point where they take that away, it's time to find another feel good vice.

LOL

You make a good point.. it is the AZzzz H@loes with obnoxiously loud pipes giving he pople that sit behind a desk TO develop policies and laws to take away the rights MOST of us have the right to respect.   And you also make a good point by telling the 95% side that does care and does enjoy an acceptable pleasing Harley exhaust that you simply dont care about the Harley Brother and Sisters...    Franky,  i think its your time to find another vice..   but i dont think it could be too soon