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Re: Hitting cars when lane sharing
« Reply #75 on: December 12, 2011, 02:59:03 PM »

I love to see all my favorites posting on a single thread.  I guess thats why we join up in a forum like this.   To learn and see how the others do things.  I never have lane shared, but I never rode in California either.  I can't see it and it seems really dangerous to me.  I know how I drive a car and I wouldn't want to share a lane with me.  But you have to be pretty brave to ride a motorcycle any way.  Just sayin'.  :nixweiss:

X2.5 I've ridden in California but never lane shared. If I had a bike narrow enough I might think about it and I did try it in Japan on a Magna 750 and tapped a guys mirror but no damage. Not gifted enough I reckon.

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Re: Hitting cars when lane sharing
« Reply #76 on: December 12, 2011, 03:49:13 PM »

  
When we first moved to the Bay Area, I was in heavy traffic driving my cage.  Traffic was backed up for miles on the 880 between Oakland and San Jose.  We were at a virtual standstill.  Out of nowhere a rice rocket flew by my 5 mph car doing at least 50-60 mph.  Idiot!  Being new to the area and not having lived in California for long it scared the crud out of me.  I had a smaller bike at the time, but still would not have considered that kind of riding.   Nor do I now.

Fast forward to present day.  I’ve been riding large touring bikes for around 10 years and all sorts of bikes for over 40.  I commute about 26 miles from my workplace at Stanford to home in South San Jose.  It’s 90% freeway and some of the heaviest traffic in the Bay Area during rush hour.  A 35 minute commute becomes an hour or more, easily during the peak rush hour periods.  

I Lane split very judiciously.  If the space is not there, I hold back.  I have other bikers passing me and entering gaps I consider way too narrow for safety’s sake.  But, some have much smaller bikes and those who don’t, said death wish…IMHO. It could be they are far more capable than I, so be it.  I know my limits.

There are some cagers and truckers who see you coming and deliberately close the gap.  If caught doing that by LEO, they’ll get cited.  I’ve had very aggressive drivers close the gap as I was gently trying to pass through.  Not speeding, just trying to pass.  Take my word for it…I’ve had Cops lead the way a few times and EVERYONE moves their ass over.  A little courtesy is all that is asked.

Most of the time, if traffic is moving well and I want to pass, I wait until there is room in the next lane to safely do so.  Heck, a week or two ago, I had some idiot in a truck get pissed because I managed to get by him -- some kind of power trip.  He would not let me pass, but finally there was enough room in the next lane to get around him.  Jerks like that should not be driving a commercial vehicle.  Perhaps he was from out of State and didn't know it is legal.

When it is over 95 degrees and traffic is at a standstill, lane splitting is the only viable option to try to keep the bike (and rider) from overheating.  Unfortunately lane splitting gets abused, but those who do so will eventually find themselves in a pickle when they misjudge.  Hope I never see it.

As has been said by others, listen to Mark.  He is an expert instructor and will be of great help providing you the experience you need to keep from hurting yourself and your bike.

For those who just don’t get it, try riding in some of the most populous areas in the world.  It will make more sense once you do.

For the guy who kicked the car -- not a good deal.  We all lose when that bad juju gets flowing.  He just might take it out on some innocent biker who had nothing to do with it.  It could be me or one of your buddies.  The act of violence only creates more.  It’s best to create distance and move on.  The but…ole will forget it a minute later.  Now, he’ll be looking to get even with someone who had nothing to do with your actions.  Can you live with that?

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Re: Hitting cars when lane sharing
« Reply #77 on: December 12, 2011, 04:55:16 PM »

I guess what I don't get about this lane splitting stuff is, knowing how dangerous is it, and that some goofy drivers take offense, why don't they just allow bike to use the paved shoulders? Obviously air cooled bikes need to move, so if they allowed passing on the shoulder, that would negate the need to split lanes. Just keep it to a max of 35 mph to avoid collisions when bike enter or leave the shoulder, but logically this seems to make all the sense in the world.
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Re: Hitting cars when lane sharing
« Reply #78 on: December 12, 2011, 06:06:19 PM »

I guess what I don't get about this lane splitting stuff is, knowing how dangerous is it, and that some goofy drivers take offense, why don't they just allow bike to use the paved shoulders? Obviously air cooled bikes need to move, so if they allowed passing on the shoulder, that would negate the need to split lanes. Just keep it to a max of 35 mph to avoid collisions when bike enter or leave the shoulder, but logically this seems to make all the sense in the world.

You'd think.  But in Calif. while lane splitting is legal, driving on a shoulder (yes, some are more than a lane wide) is against the law for any motor vehicle.

Keep in mind that tens of thousands lane split every day in Calif (especially in the summer months when air cooled motors are speaking in tongues) and accidents from it just aren't that common.  We've all "heard" of it happening or may know somebody that it happened to but by and large, the majority have done this for years with no such occurance.
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Re: Hitting cars when lane sharing
« Reply #79 on: December 12, 2011, 06:31:46 PM »

I guess what I don't get about this lane splitting stuff is, knowing how dangerous is it, and that some goofy drivers take offense, why don't they just allow bike to use the paved shoulders? Obviously air cooled bikes need to move, so if they allowed passing on the shoulder, that would negate the need to split lanes. Just keep it to a max of 35 mph to avoid collisions when bike enter or leave the shoulder, but logically this seems to make all the sense in the world.

I would imagine because that is where the broke down vehicles are stopped at?
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Re: Hitting cars when lane sharing
« Reply #80 on: December 12, 2011, 06:57:54 PM »

I would imagine because that is where the broke down vehicles are stopped at?











Yes thats what I was thinking + shoulders are to get emergency vehicles to the scene in a HURRY  :nixweiss:
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Re: Hitting cars when lane sharing
« Reply #81 on: December 12, 2011, 07:38:45 PM »

I think some narrow drag bars on a chopper is the answer to lane splitting.  :coolblue: spyder
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Re: Hitting cars when lane sharing
« Reply #82 on: December 12, 2011, 07:44:51 PM »

The shoulder is also known as the "Breakdown Lane", or where they want you to pull over to after an accident ad wait for a tow. I would not want to ride a bike there intentionally because that is where all the crap is. Out here in LA you will find mufflers, driveshafts, shoes, nails, ladders, all the crap that eventually gets konocked over to the side and onto the shoulder. On some of the elevated freeways that shoulder lane can dissappear in seconds. It can literally come to a walled stop barrier, or merge over into the closest lane.

When I came to LA in 1987, I swore I would never split lanes. But time and traffic and experience changed me. To those of you NOT familiar with California lane splitting, most of it is done between the carpool lane and the Number 1 lane. There is usually a bit more room for lateral movement, and the riders in those lanes know they are "locked in" (if that is at all possible) for the long run. 
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Re: Hitting cars when lane sharing
« Reply #83 on: December 12, 2011, 08:16:34 PM »

It's simple, if you can't do it successfully, QUIT TRYING TO LANE SPLIT!!!!
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Re: Hitting cars when lane sharing
« Reply #84 on: December 12, 2011, 08:44:03 PM »

Going to make you guys laugh but I didn't know what the heck 'lane sharing' was..

still didn't until 3/4 through this thread...its lane splitting..there is no way that I would even consider going in between cars...its dangerous enough here staying in your own lane...I live in the DC metro area

I make it a point not to hurry when I'm on the bike...try my best to pay attention to the little things and look for an escape route always...good luck to you 'lane sharers' out there..

To the OP, Welcome to the site..Its a great place..


Now Gunny I am sure you have had "issues" in the commuter lane heading to muster at Quantico.  Those people just don't like the fact that youcan escape all of the inbound or outbound DC traffic on you motorcycle by getting in the commuter lane. 

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Re: Hitting cars when lane sharing
« Reply #85 on: December 12, 2011, 09:41:36 PM »

It's simple, if you can't do it successfully, QUIT TRYING TO LANE SPLIT!!!!


Ah c'mon Mark.....   Doesn't a guy get any credit for persistence in the face of adversity?  Wait....  Entirely new thought.....  Think we just discovered a new definition for cyco-masochism ??? .
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Re: Hitting cars when lane sharing
« Reply #86 on: December 12, 2011, 10:02:22 PM »


Ah c'mon Mark.....   Doesn't a guy get any credit for persistence in the face of adversity?  Wait....  Entirely new thought.....  Think we just discovered a new definition for cyco-masochism ??? .
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Re: Hitting cars when lane sharing
« Reply #87 on: December 12, 2011, 10:20:56 PM »

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Re: Hitting cars when lane sharing
« Reply #88 on: December 12, 2011, 10:29:27 PM »

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Spyder,
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Re: Hitting cars when lane sharing
« Reply #89 on: December 12, 2011, 11:01:45 PM »

You bring up a good point Fred. But with all things motorcycle related it's all about how high up the ladder of risk a rider is willing to go. Out here in California lane sharing (what we call splitting lanes) is legal. And yes, I too have been amazed at the riders who zoom between traffic at 80 plus miles an hour. No need to do that if the traffic is moving. But when it is stagnant or a crawling slow and go, lane splitting can be done reasonably safe.

The LAPD has done extensive studies and statistically it is more dangerous to pass through an intersection than to split lanes. The greatest danger to a motorcycle is cross or oncoming traffic. On the freeway the cars are all pointed in the same direction and traveling in the same direction. At an intersection there is oncoming and cross traffic. That is why intersections are known as motorcycle kill zones.

If a rider chooses not to split lanes and to sit in heavy crawling traffic I can respect their choice to avoid risks (although there are also risks in crawling along in traffic too). If a rider wishes to split lanes that's fine too. While it is a bit riskier, if be done prudently it's not as dangerous as it seems. Out here in California a cop won't give you a ticket for lane splitting. He will give you a ticket for unsafe riding.


I agree, I'm in NJ now but learned to ride in San Clemente while stationed at Camp Pendelton on an 01 Indian Scout. I was terrorized of splitting lanes at first but the traffic makes it a necessity. I never did it until the traffic dropped below 20 mph or so though and managed it safely. May be a little more cautious on the SESG now with more weight but it is a necessary evil out there. Ride safe, Semper Fi.
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