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[cherryseeg2]

I'm in the process of installing the IPod module on my bike. I have the HK radio already. Where I am stuck at is since my bike didn't come with the HK radio it was never intended to have an add on module so it is missing the 6a plug required to complete the install. I purchased the 35 way plug and have it all pinned in. What I need to know is what can I do since I have don't have the 6a plug. thanks for any help.

[Twolanerider]

You're likely too far in to the project now to back up and revisit your choice.  But from my understanding what you're trying to do wouldn't be a touch chore on a new SESG, for example, but on our older bikes I'm not sure you can get there from here.  The harnesses are enough different I'd have to do some homework reviewing wiring diagrams before getting the parts to know if I could accomplish the task.

If it's not too late to make a different choice you do have a much easier option though.  It's a piece called the HDPDPLUS iPod Interface.  HD-Dude (and others) sell them and Dude offers an illustrated install thread here:

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=68732.0

This part is a simple direct plug in between the existing radio plug and existing radio harness.  Just stuck this thing in between and you're done.  Nothing else to add and nothing to change or rewire.  It's a much simpler option and it still brings the iPod controls inside the radio in the same way.

[cherryseeg2]

You're likely too far in to the project now to back up and revisit your choice.  But from my understanding what you're trying to do wouldn't be a touch chore on a new SESG, for example, but on our older bikes I'm not sure you can get there from here.  The harnesses are enough different I'd have to do some homework reviewing wiring diagrams before getting the parts to know if I could accomplish the task.

If it's not too late to make a different choice you do have a much easier option though.  It's a piece called the HDPDPLUS iPod Interface.  HD-Dude (and others) sell them and Dude offers an illustrated install thread here:

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=68732.0

This part is a simple direct plug in between the existing radio plug and existing radio harness.  Just stuck this thing in between and you're done.  Nothing else to add and nothing to change or rewire.  It's a much simpler option and it still brings the iPod controls inside the radio in the same way.

thanks Don and I did know about that option but my dad got this for me for christmas and he did not know about that option. I was hoping someone would know what is in that 6a plug that bring everything together. The plan for tomorrow is to look into dads SESG and maybe find out. I have been unable to locate a diagram from a bike that would have the 6a plug without the ultra overlay harness such as a standard FLHX. 

[ThunderBueller]

Look for Harleypingman. He's here and has an '04 in which he's done the whole HK setup.

[Harleypingman]

If you read through the first post in this thread, installing the 6A connector is explained:

http://www.hdforums.com/forum/touring-models/441244-installed-w-pics-hd-boom-audio-music-and-intercom-kit-on-04-electra-glide.html

Fortunately, all of the wiring needed to create the 6A connector is inside the fairing and requires a couple of splices, and the assembly of the 6-place Deutsch connector.

Shoot me a PM with your phone number and I'll be glad to walk you through the process.  I did this a couple of years ago when I added the HK radio, non-Ultra overlay harness, CB/Intercom, etc. to my bike.

Bottom line:  the '05 and older bikes have a three-place "audio connector" which needs to be replaced with the 6-position Deutsch connector to create the 6A connector.

Carl

[cherryseeg2]

 

If you read through the first post in this thread, installing the 6A connector is explained:

http://www.hdforums.com/forum/touring-models/441244-installed-w-pics-hd-boom-audio-music-and-intercom-kit-on-04-electra-glide.html

Fortunately, all of the wiring needed to create the 6A connector is inside the fairing and requires a couple of splices, and the assembly of the 6-place Deutsch connector.

Shoot me a PM with your phone number and I'll be glad to walk you through the process.  I did this a couple of years ago when I added the HK radio, non-Ultra overlay harness, CB/Intercom, etc. to my bike.

Bottom line:  the '05 and older bikes have a three-place "audio connector" which needs to be replaced with the 6-position Deutsch connector to create the 6A connector.

Carl

Thanks alot carl that thread and pics were very helpful and I think I can manage it now.  If I run into anymore troblem I'll defiently give you a shout.  The worst part is that it will probably have to wait til next weekend now.  Thanks again.

[Twolanerider]

Thanks alot carl that thread and pics were very helpful and I think I can manage it now.  If I run into anymore troblem I'll defiently give you a shout.  The worst part is that it will probably have to wait til next weekend now.  Thanks again.

Which overlay harness did you use when installing the HK in the 05?

[cherryseeg2]

I didn't use any overlay harness. I just unplugged the factory radio and plugged in the HK.

[Twolanerider]

I didn't use any overlay harness. I just unplugged the factory radio and plugged in the HK.

So the original radio's overlay harness is either removed or simply not used.  And no newer HK specific overlay for accessory connections has been added.  In the stock 05 bike harness the connections for HK accessories doesn't exist nor was it ever conceived of. 

[cherryseeg2]

That is correct. I simply just left the gray plug that powered the amp on the radio sound head unit unused. From my research none of the HK accessories will work without the 6a plug the 05 and back bikes are missing.

[Twolanerider]

That is correct. I simply just left the gray plug that powered the amp on the radio sound head unit unused. From my research none of the HK accessories will work without the 6a plug the 05 and back bikes are missing.

Yes, and that's your big issue.  That 6A plug is an adjunct of the newer audio harnesses.  Nearly all the current bikes have them except (for some stupid and unexplainable reason) the new SE Street Glides.  Even the SE Street Glides, however, have the internals within the harness that could become the connector you need.  Your stock 05 bike harness does not. 

At the least you're going to need a newer audio overlay harness that adds the HK accessory ports.  Those full overlays were expensive.  The older versions of them don't have the plug you'll need either.  So a bit of homework will be necessary.  The "Boom" accessory harnesses currently on HD's P&A website are limited capability harnesses that won't add what you need and are intended to be used on top of existing audio overlay harnesses that are already incorporated in the new bikes.

What the other gentlemen were doing and illustrating adding the connection you need was on a newer bike with more harness than we have in our 05s.  The 05s of course didn't come with the HK radio so all the HK accessories weren't even considered in their main harness.

Just for the sake of space (the new overlay harnesses can be pretty good sized) you'll likely end up removing the old amp powering harness you're no longer using.  Then you'll need to find an HK overlay that is a true overlay and isn't incorporated in a newer bike's main harness that also has the connection you need.  Then.....

Well... then.... honestly; I'd punt if it were mine.  I'd just plug in that HDPLUS Ipod thing mentioned earlier and in less time it took to read this thread I'd be done with it.  It will work as well, be just as integrated and be so much easier.

[cherryseeg2]

Thanks for the reply Don.  Going to HDPLUS was my first instinct.  But the dealer that my kit was purchased from says no returns so I'm stuck with it.  What Carl did in the link above was on an 04 that came with the same Raido Sound head unit as the 05s. Thats the route I'm going to go.

[Twolanerider]

Thanks for the reply Don.  Going to HDPLUS was my first instinct.  But the dealer that my kit was purchased from says no returns so I'm stuck with it.  What Carl did in the link above was on an 04 that came with the same Raido Sound head unit as the 05s. Thats the route I'm going to go.

I missed the 04. Sorry about that.  Will have to go back and look.  What you're going to accomplish when done will be more difficult than the simple HDPLUS plug in thing.  But it'll be a lot more interesting.  Be sure and document as you go.  I'd like to keep up with your progress.

[Harleypingman]

Adding the 6A connector was easy on the '04 since two of the three wires in the 3-place Deutsch connector are re-used, and the additional two wires (only 4 of six slots are used in the new 6-place Deutsch connector) are easily spliced/tapped from the 23-wire connector already on the bike and plugged into the HK radio.  Those additional two wires (R/O and Bk/Gn) are there to provide power and ground to the modules added to the bike (e.g. XM, CB, Ipod, NIM).

Since only the Ipod module is being added, a much smaller harness is used rather than the non-Ultra overlay harness (NUOH) I used to add CB, rider headset connector, pasenger headset connector and controls); IIRC, the smaller harness is p/n 6920033.  In any event, all such a harness needs to do is provide the 35-wire AMP connector to access the pin-outs on the HK used by the Ipod to connect the Ipod module to the HK radio.     

The only other wiring mod I made when I installed the HK, CB, etc. was to replace the wire in pin-out 9 (W/Gn) of the 23 wire connector by splicing it to the serial data wire at the speedo; this provided the serial data to the HK so that the Automatic Volume Control will work.

Carl

[Twolanerider]

Adding the 6A connector was easy on the '04 since two of the three wires in the 3-place Deutsch connector are re-used, and the additional two wires (only 4 of six slots are used in the new 6-place Deutsch connector) are easily spliced/tapped from the 23-wire connector already on the bike and plugged into the HK radio.  Those additional two wires (R/O and Bk/Gn) are there to provide power and ground to the modules added to the bike (e.g. XM, CB, Ipod, NIM).

Since only the Ipod module is being added, a much smaller harness is used rather than the non-Ultra overlay harness (NUOH) I used to add CB, rider headset connector, pasenger headset connector and controls); IIRC, the smaller harness is p/n 6920033.  In any event, all such a harness needs to do is provide the 35-wire AMP connector to access the pin-outs on the HK used by the Ipod to connect the Ipod module to the HK radio.     

The only other wiring mod I made when I installed the HK, CB, etc. was to replace the wire in pin-out 9 (W/Gn) of the 23 wire connector by splicing it to the serial data wire at the speedo; this provided the serial data to the HK so that the Automatic Volume Control will work.

Carl

Was just reviewing a schematic for our bikes in comparison to what's needed for the new connector.   Surprised by what little was needed that we didn't already have.   Not a bad chore at all.  I'd mistakenly assumed to begin with it'd be a major pain in the ass.  Very glad I was wrong.