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[justgary]

Hello, as some of you may know my wife just bought a 06 SEVROD.  I have an 05 SEEG and I am looking for some performance upgrades (so I can keep up with her).  I have been talking to some of my friends at the Harley Dealer and I am thinking about going with some cams.  I am looking at the 203 vs. the 211 cams.  Does anyone have any experience with these cams?  Which cams would be best suited for my 103?  Thank you
                                                              Gary

[Fired00d]

Gary,
You must read these two threads....

REDSHIFT 575 CAMS & OTHER PRETTY PARTS

Freedom Cycles "Secret" FCC9 Cam Dyno

I personally went with the Zippers package, but you should be happy with either one as they were designed specifically for the 103 engines.

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Fired00d
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[hd-dude]

Don't do the SE cams.....As Dood suggesteed see those threads above. Those cams are made specifically for the 103 Motors.

[Unbalanced]

Ok i am gonna chime in ....  251 or go outside of harley davidson.   The 211 is a great cam for a lighter bike and it runs at higher rpm 3300 to about 5500 ... the 204 would be a btter choice if your stuck on the 203 but honestly it is too low for the 103 engine its better suited to an 88 or mild 95  ... but the 251 is the best choice if you have no mods otherwise the 257 if you like a bit higher rpm running.  That is if you really must stick with harley cams.  I have owned and run all the cams i listed above except the 257, but my buddy had the them in his classic.

If you want to stay chain driven cam, you should consider the Zippers 575 chain drive if your willing to think outside of the harley warranty then look into the 575 gear drive no more tensioners to worry about.   I did the testing on the 575's with Zippers and Bragging Rights here in Florida and they rock pretty hard off the line and all the way up to 5500 rpm.   Just ask some of the guys on this site who have no installed them.

You can pull the front tire off the ground with stock setup no head work easily in the first 2 gears.   if you have any questions about it please feel free to email or pm me.

-harry

[justgary]

I prefer the low end tourque over top end speed.  I would like a happy medium between performance and durability.  I would like to be able to cross country have plenty of power but not have to worry about a rebuild.  In other words I would like a bit more performance but not necessarily looking for the wildest speed rush.  So I guess I am looking for middle of the road performance.  Im not ready to hit the drag strip yet and my wallet is just a bit lite.  I tend to stay at the lower end of the RPM scale.  

[Fired00d]

Both of these cams (Zippers and Freedom's) provide low-end torque (check out the dyno sheets). As for reliability one of the reasons I went with gear drive was to get rid of one of the weak links in the stock set-up. There has been documented occurrences where there has been failure in the cam chain tensioners causing pieces of plastic to get in oil pump and causing bike to have no oil pressure. No oil pressure is not a good thing as you probably already know.

I had been researching cams for some time and because of problems with chain tensioners I knew I would be going with gear driven. I spoke with "wrench" that had built motor in my prior bike to find out what specs (maximum lift) I needed to stay within, and then started looking for cams. What I was finding that there wasn't really a "bolt in" cam that would produce what I wanted. Everything I was looking at would require some headwork, possible new pistons, throttle bodies, etc, etc. Like you I didn't want to do a motor rebuild or spend enormous amounts of money. Luckily I hadn't found anything that satisfied me before Zippers came out with there new cams. I mentioned to my "wrench" that Zippers was coming out with cams specifically for 103 motors and he recommended that Zippers products would be well worth my money.

Since the cams were out I opted to go with Feuling Oil Pump because of the additional oil pressure at idle. Again this was another addition to compensate for a weak link in the stock motor from the MoCo (stock oil pressure at idle is considerably low almost to the point of there not being any oil pressure measured on the gauge). At idle now I'm running about 30lbs +/- on oil pressure, and when cruising it will go up as high over 50lbs.

For me these upgrades were what I would consider middle of the road. They took care of some of the inherent problems these motors are known for, with an added performance plus. It wasn't as expensive as some of the things that I had seen out there, and didn't require the motor to be torn down. It didn't make my bike the fastest out there, but it sure makes it fun to ride, and you really get to feel the potential these motors have (just in case in the future you do want to take it to another level). The RPM range that the torque comes in on these cams is the normal operating range we ride in.

Not sure if you plan on installing these yourself, but if you are you can save some money there. Also if you interested in the Zippers cams, make sure you tell them you are a member of this website as we do receive a discount.

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[Fired00d]

Gary,
Also let me add that I'm in no way bashing either of the cams you mentioned or H-D products (if you look here you'll see most of the accesories I've added to my scooter are from the MoCo). However I do think you will get more for your money going with either one of these packages then staying w/something the MoCo has. Have your mechanics look at the specs on the Zippers RED SHIFT 575TC CAM along with the dyno sheets from these cams that are in the thread I provided and see what they think. These cams are really new to the market (just introduced this summer) and they may not be aware of them.

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[justgary]

Thanks for the input fire - if you don't mind me asking how much were the cams?  Gary

[Fired00d]

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[justgary]

Thanks for the info firedood.  Gives me lots to think about.  Ride Safe
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[Big Time]

Just had my 04 SEEG in this spring for new cams. The previous owner had SE 260s in with no other mods (bad!!). I was going to go with the zippers 575 but upon disassembly the wrench found that the cam plate was bad due a spun bearing. Thank god for the extendend warranty and a helpful dealer. I got new cams, cam plate, bearings and labor all for nuttin'. Only thing is I had to go with harley cams so the dealer suggested SE 211s. Bike runs great and I haven't even been in for the final tune. I would definitely recommend the 211s also I know alot of guys are fond of the 204s in 95" builds. Good luck.

[HUBBARD]

Yeah, 'er 'uh, garyteresa,
  I was in total agreement with UnBaLaNcEd, until I read your subsequent post.  The only difference being, riding habits.  Clearly, Harry and I are Speed Junkies, while you are more on the conservative side, for now, anyway.  That said, I would agree with Big Time, and suggest you go with the 211's.  Later--HUBBARD    

[HUBBARD]

Just had my 04 SEEG in this spring for new cams. [highlight]The previous owner had SE 260s in with no other mods (bad!!).[/highlight] I was going to go with the zippers 575 but upon disassembly the wrench found that the cam plate was bad due a spun bearing. Thank god for the extendend warranty and a helpful dealer. I got new cams, cam plate, bearings and labor all for nuttin'. Only thing is I had to go with harley cams so the dealer suggested SE 211s. Bike runs great and I haven't even been in for the final tune. I would definitely recommend the 211s also I know alot of guys are fond of the 204s in 95" builds. Good luck.

Yeah, 'er 'uh, Big Time,
  Man, somebody was greener than a frog in that deal!  How long did it take you to find it?  I'd bet it was the first time you torqued the throttle!  Later--HUBBARD  
  

[Big Time]

Hubbard, the dude didn't know much. He didn't even know what cams were in it. I had to call the dealership in Chicago and get a copy of the invoice from the work that was done. This was after I bought the bike. I was suprised to say the least when I saw that there was 260s in there. I was even more surprise to see that he (they) had also added about everything out of the SE catalog,ie. roller rockers, forged rocker supports, lifters, forged pistons, studs,etc. It made 108 hp but sucked to say the least below 3500.  Ride on!

[HUBBARD]

Hubbard, the dude didn't know much. He didn't even know what cams were in it. I had to call the dealership in Chicago and get a copy of the invoice from the work that was done. This was after I bought the bike. I was suprised to say the least when I saw that there was 260s in there. I was even more surprise to see that he (they) had also added about everything out of the SE catalog,ie. roller rockers, forged rocker supports, lifters, forged pistons, studs,etc. It made 108 hp but sucked to say the least below 3500.  Ride on!

Huh?  :-? With the Stock 103 Heads?  What kind of Exhaust?  Please advise.  Later--HUBBARD