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[McBolt]

Anyone knowing of any town (besides Elk Grove CA) or any State (besides Maine) using hand held decibel meters for the purpose of muffler (noise) enforcement; please post or email me direct.  Hand held decibel meters are against Federal Guidelines

[JCZ]

Is this a warning for me in Elk Grove.....whaz up?

I'd think any reading on the side of the road wouldn't stand up in court.  You can't control the environment or ambient noise on the side of the road.

Username of McBolt.......are you a member of BOLT?  Not that it's relevant to anything.....just curious.

[mrmagloo]

Anyone knowing of any town (besides Elk Grove CA) or any State (besides Maine) using hand held decibel meters for the purpose of muffler (noise) enforcement; please post or email me direct.  Hand held decibel meters are against Federal Guidelines

They use them on the waterway nonstop! 

[dayne66]

Up in Edmonton, Alberta they pull you over in a 'check stop', then use a meter on a tripod at a certain distance/angle.

In Calgary, Alberta they are working to develop a method of giving tickets similar to photo radar....so when you pass by it measures and photos your bike/plate and you get a ticket in the mail.

[grc]

Up in Edmonton, Alberta they pull you over in a 'check stop', then use a meter on a tripod at a certain distance/angle.

In Calgary, Alberta they are working to develop a method of giving tickets similar to photo radar....so when you pass by it measures and photos your bike/plate and you get a ticket in the mail.

Probably be a good idea to never ride through one of those deals next to a semi that's being firewalled, kind of like it's also not a good idea to run through a radar speed trap next to a speeding semi (largest mass gets picked up by the radar).

I never cease to be amazed by the many "authorities" in various jurisdictions who dream up this sort of unscientific crap.  After wasting plenty of taxpayer funds to promulgate the rules and equip the troops, they will inevitably end up having to scrap the programs after someone kicks their azz in a real court (not the local yokel variety).

The method where they pull you over and do the actual sound measurement in an isolated shelter or booth with fixed equipment at a prescribed distance and angle is at least more scientific and defensible in court.  All the various hand held or drive by solutions will just make lawyers richer, IMHO.


Jerry

[McBolt]

Yes; I am a member of Bikers Of Lesser Tolerance.  Elk Grove Police Department (California) received a grant (2011) from the Office of Traffic Safety to purchase sound measuring equipment.  You can go to the Elk Grove Police web site and look under Press Release, May 20 2011, "Speed and Excessive Noise Enforcement".  The grant number is AL1166.  You can go to the OTS website and "search" it will pop up.  AMA and the MRF have both been endorsing SAE J2825 (Google it).  In a letter received from the AMA their reason for endorsing is to make it fairer for Law Enforcement and the Courts.  DPS Technical is in bed with the AMA.  We have learned that DPS Technical is getting funding (or grants) to teach/certify law enforcement in the use of SAE J2825.  DPS Technical sells and rents sound measuring kits.  DPS Technical teaches law enforcement what they need to do to win in court. 

Currently the only legally approved method for measuring noise from motorcycles is:  Title 40: Protection of Environment Part 205 Transportation Equipment Noise Emission Controls Subpart E Motorcycle Exhaust Systems.  Cities can not make up their own standards to supercede state or Federal law.  Problem is most who ride don't stand up for themselves...so the cops get away with bogus illegal ticket writing.  We want to know other cities/states to see how widespread this backstabbing collaboration is.

We believe the AMA is lobbying the Federal Government to change their current guidelines and adapt SAE J2825.  You can easily research AMA's position on SAE J2825...it's no secret.

We believe other cities (in CA) are doing the same as Elk Grove due to SB435 becoming law in 2013.   

[JCZ]

Yes; I am a member of Bikers Of Lesser Tolerance.  Elk Grove Police Department (California) received a grant (2011) from the Office of Traffic Safety to purchase sound measuring equipment.  You can go to the Elk Grove Police web site and look under Press Release, May 20 2011, "Speed and Excessive Noise Enforcement".  The grant number is AL1166.  You can go to the OTS website and "search" it will pop up.  AMA and the MRF have both been endorsing SAE J2825 (Google it).  In a letter received from the AMA their reason for endorsing is to make it fairer for Law Enforcement and the Courts.  DPS Technical is in bed with the AMA.  We have learned that DPS Technical is getting funding (or grants) to teach/certify law enforcement in the use of SAE J2825.  DPS Technical sells and rents sound measuring kits.  DPS Technical teaches law enforcement what they need to do to win in court. 

Currently the only legally approved method for measuring noise from motorcycles is:  Title 40: Protection of Environment Part 205 Transportation Equipment Noise Emission Controls Subpart E Motorcycle Exhaust Systems.  Cities can not make up their own standards to supercede state or Federal law.  Problem is most who ride don't stand up for themselves...so the cops get away with bogus illegal ticket writing.  We want to know other cities/states to see how widespread this backstabbing collaboration is.

We believe the AMA is lobbying the Federal Government to change their current guidelines and adapt SAE J2825.  You can easily research AMA's position on SAE J2825...it's no secret.

We believe other cities (in CA) are doing the same as Elk Grove due to SB435 becoming law in 2013.   

I see.....so you're on the front lines of fighting for bikers rights (ie. helmet laws, noise complaint, air polution laws aka smog, etc. etc.).  I met Mark & Sondra many years ago when we were all in ABATE (I was also in MMA) and spent many hours and many days in the legislative offices at the state capitol.

So......the question remains.....has BOLT been successful in getting an injunction against the city of Elk Grove?   Have they been successful in getting any of these kind of tickets issued in Elk Grove squashed?

[McBolt]

An injunction could most likely be done IF a biker actually fought the ticket.  It is difficult to prove ones rights were violated when so many give them up over something as so minor as a traffic ticket.  We are looking into a lot of possibilities right now.  But, really looking at CA as a whole and reaching out to others in other states.  In the case of Elk Grove (and some other cities) we are looking at many options.

If I consent to a DUI or motorcycle checkpoint, then my rights were not violated, because I gave them up with the consent.  If I do not consent to an inspection or answering questions and am arrested or harassed by the police department...then I can use legal means to fight back.  You do not have to go through DUI checkpoints.  You do not have to answer any questions.  You can not pursue any legal recourse unless harm was done.  If I consent I am not harmed.  If I do not plead not guilty...then I am guilty.

ABATE of CA is pushing a bill (AB1047) to stop OTS from funding motorcycle only checkpoints in CA.  This will probably pass legislature.  And even though I welcome any and all movement that stops my 4th Amendment rights from being violated; this bill only stops OTS from funding; it does not stop motorcycle only checkpoints  A law was passed in either 2002 or 2004 (in CA) that gives authority to Counties to have DUI checkpoints and at the same stop do motor vehicle safety checks i.e. muffler tampering.

[McBolt]

I have received enough info from another BOLT member in Florida.  For anyone that is interested, a lot of the most recent "Noise" enforcement activity started back up a few years ago....part of Obama's push by using the EPA to control the masses. (I'm an independent voter), but for those who get politically involved then you are probably aware of the EPA attacks.

Where/when did it all start? 1998, our country signed a treaty with the United Nations called:  Global Harmonization of Motorized Vehicles based on European standards. (Google it).  In 2000 the AMA and the MRF became non voting UN members to participate in this new terrorist attack on us.  In 2000 Harley Davidson corporate wrote articles, to their HOG members, asking for help. The article was written by Tim Hoelter (VP) and was first published in Hog Tales July/August 2000, "the single biggest threat facing manufacturers today".

I spoke about the problems at a multitude of various HOG meetings, even though some members responded, the overall response was "we are not to get policitally involved".  I believe it was last year (or the year before), at the HOG national officers training (it use to be called POT); Harley Corp once again asked for help.  Asking their members to join MRO's. they even mentioned BOLT (but BOLT is not a membership driven organization).  But still the response from the mass HOG members was UH?

end of part 1

[faceracer]

My understanding is Daytona Beach Fla. has been using them for several years during bike week and issuing a chit load of tickets! I am sure there are some members here who can tell you more about. That is the only place I have heard of this going on.

[McBolt]

Part 2.
A few years ago, Ken Feith of the EPA radiation and noise department starting raiding after market exhaust pipe manufacturers.  Threatenting them with a $10,000 fine per pipe...including Harley.  The EPA only raided 9 manufacturers, if they raided 10 or more, the law requires them to release public information.  But I have a letter from Ken Feith stating that the raids and new laws are in direct relation to the up coming enforcement of "Global Harmonization of Motorized Vehicles".  Because of this CA passed SB435.  Boston passed a noise ordinance, but due to BOLT member lawsuits...no tickets have been written.  Others states have tried to pass similar laws (SB435) but the biker activists have shot them down

Now we have the AMA, MRF and DPS Technical telling us it is for our own good.  Just shut up, bend over while I shove this sound probe up your rectum.

Now you know why Harley is coming out with a water cooled touring bike...

If you really truly believe in your inalienable rights...then stand up and push back, yes it really works.  What are motorcyclist rights?  That is when your Constitutional Rights are being attacked or denied simply because you choose to ride a motorcycle

[faceracer]

I hear you and this should be a wake up call for everyone of us. It's easier to protect a right you have than to get back one that was taken away. Ca. helmet law is a fine example. People never thought it would pass until it got stuck up there rectum by old Dick Floyd! I think that was 92 if my memory serves me right so 20 years ago now! Still have not been able to get rid of it! Wow time flies>>>> Face out!

[SERK3]

Myrtle Beach, S.C.

[McBolt]

I hear you and this should be a wake up call for everyone of us. It's easier to protect a right you have than to get back one that was taken away. Ca. helmet law is a fine example. People never thought it would pass until it got stuck up there rectum by old Dick Floyd! I think that was 92 if my memory serves me right so 20 years ago now! Still have not been able to get rid of it! Wow time flies>>>> Face out!

You must be an old fart activist if you remember Dick Floyd.  Fortunately he died last year.  Many of the so called activist in CA don't know who Dick Floyd was.  In his capitol office he had a multitude of cartoon characterizations of bikers...obviously making the biker look moronic.  He hated motorcyclist...that he why he pushed the.  He simply made up facts.  There was/is a news broadcast done by Laos Angeles channel 7 news. they actual found the truth and exposed all of the lies..even before Gov Wilson signed the bill. the broadcast is poor quality. and for those of you who have a little bit of patience...it is about 10 minutes. note the comments by the emergency room doctors "I don't know why they passed a helmet law; most motorcycle deaths are due to chest trauma. only 4% of motorcycle deaths are related to head trauma".  Now EVERY TIME a motorcyclist is killed it is due to head trauma..feel manipulated?  I will try to post the link.  
CA Helmet Law Broadcast 1992

[McBolt]

Guess I need instrustions on how to post the link...

http://boltusa.org/node/38


Maybe this will work...excellent news broadcast