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[jettjocky]

First...... MY Fault.    had my first Bo Bo after 156K miles two months ago,   I'm fine was very sore for about six weeks,  bike is being fully fixed just had bolt on part damage ($ 13,400.oo worth).....  now for the story.

Headed down to Daytona on Georgia back roads, road was semi wet to dry......, we (2 of us) prepared to pass a car that unknowingly to us had NO turn signels or BRAKE lights......... of course  he turned left, I hit the brakes, locked  up the rear brakes, ...... released locked both brakes up again.  By that time I had simply used all the space I had, went around on the right but hit a pot hole.......  the bike decided to go a different direction than me your humble rider. 

After "settling" down we tried to figure out WHY WOULD THE BRAKES LOCK UP?   Simple, after further detailed investigation the ABS had been diabled, broken wire in cable between the dash and computor. 

SUMMARY:
IF after flashing at start up, if the  ABS indicator does NOT GO OUT  the ABS is disabled.  This is an  indicator that you can not see in sun light and is hard to see in overcast.  So now as I ride I WILL from time to time cover the indicator with my hand to insure the inducator is OFF (not lit)

Just dumb on my part.......................... but thought I'd pass it along. 

[GregKhougaz]

Very sorry to read this.  Glad you're Okay and the bike can be fixed!   

[Eagle Eye]

How about the nimrod not using his turn signals, knowing motorcycles were right behind?  Were they charged with not signaling?  Sorry for your injuries.  And thanks for sharing this with us.  I'll be extra careful passing someone slowing down, just to make sure they are not turning into my pathway as I pass. 

On ABS:
My last bike had ABS and it saved my arse several times.  My current bike doesn't and I've locked it up a few times doing a slight skid and releasing.  I'm not afraid of skidding, but it's the ultimate stop and how that takes place is what worries me.  I'm going to be installing the after market product from TCB that attaches to the lines to the rotors.  Hopefully that will reduce lockup occasions.  I really do not want to do this with my BSR on the back.  Harder to control outcome, beside tends to disrupt harmony...

[jettjocky]

How about the nimrod not using his turn signals, knowing motorcycles were right behind?  Were they charged with not signaling?  Sorry for your injuries.  And thanks for sharing this with us.  I'll be extra careful passing someone slowing down, just to make sure they are not turning into my pathway as I pass. 

On ABS:
My last bike had ABS and it saved my arse several times.  My current bike doesn't and I've locked it up a few times doing a slight skid and releasing.  I'm not afraid of skidding, but it's the ultimate stop and how that takes place is what worries me.  I'm going to be installing the after market product from TCB that attaches to the lines to the rotors.  Hopefully that will reduce lockup occasions.  I really do not want to do this with my BSR on the back.  Harder to control outcome, beside tends to disrupt harmony...


No charges filed NOTHING, cause he did not stop & besides  you see south Geogria is where all the junk cars go when we are done using them,,  again dumb of us as we know this.....

[CityLights]

 "I'm fine was very sore for about six weeks,  bike is being fully fixed just had bolt on part damage ($ 13,400.oo worth)....."    - I know it could have been worse but six weeks is a long time to be sore and 13.4K is a lot of damage . Sounds like you had a hard landing . Glad  your OK . Not trying to be melodramatic but the infomation in your post could save injury/a life .Thanks for being open and honest .

[Twolanerider]

I'm going to be installing the after market product from TCB that attaches to the lines to the rotors. 

Have you studied that product with any depth?  I have a little.  If you understand it please share a bit.  Because I really don't get it.  It quite frankly worries the crap out of me.  Can't imagine that it's doing anything more than retarding brake pressure/application.

Even there application test written up on their website doesn't quite ring true.  At least it doesn't unless there is a version of their product that is different than what they've got pictured.

They describe using their product on an 08 touring bike that doesn't originally have ABS.  Their product is a banjo bolt replacement.  On the touring bikes with Brembo calipers the banjo bolt and bleeder screw are all one piece though.  And their replacement banjo does not have a bleeder screw built in to it.

Granted, if you're careful and you're lucky you can swap a banjo bolt quickly and (maybe) not need to rebleed.  But even if you are that lucky what if you need to bleed the system later?

Readily admit I don't understand the function that supports this products claim.  Just hope that someone does who can explain it.

[dlaws01]

Sorry about your mishap there Jettjocky, glad you are OK. Hope your bike rides straight and true after the repairs, and that you don't find out that something aches when you get cold.

[grc]

Have you studied that product with any depth?  I have a little.  If you understand it please share a bit.  Because I really don't get it.  It quite frankly worries the crap out of me.  Can't imagine that it's doing anything more than retarding brake pressure/application.

Even there application test written up on their website doesn't quite ring true.  At least it doesn't unless there is a version of their product that is different than what they've got pictured.

They describe using their product on an 08 touring bike that doesn't originally have ABS.  Their product is a banjo bolt replacement.  On the touring bikes with Brembo calipers the banjo bolt and bleeder screw are all one piece though.  And their replacement banjo does not have a bleeder screw built in to it.

Granted, if you're careful and you're lucky you can swap a banjo bolt quickly and (maybe) not need to rebleed.  But even if you are that lucky what if you need to bleed the system later?

Readily admit I don't understand the function that supports this products claim.  Just hope that someone does who can explain it.

Don, the last time someone started a thread asking about this product I think my response was something to the affect that you could do the same thing for free by just introducing a little air into the lines.  At a time when people are complaining that their dealers didn't bleed the air out of the rear brakes when doing the brake switch recall, it seems strange that other folks are looking for a way to add the same excess travel and mushy feel to their brakes on purpose.

I'm totally amazed that the product is still on the market and that some government agency hasn't shut them down for false advertising as well as selling an unsafe product.  I especially like their claim that it is actually better than real ABS.  Damn, I hate to think of the millions and probably billions that have been wasted on ABS systems, when we could have just introduced a little air in our brake lines and got better results for free.  Maybe there should be a congressional investigation, since there has obviously been some skulduggery leading to the pawning off of unnecessary high priced ABS systems on an unsuspecting public.  Scandalous!


Jerry

[Eagle Eye]

Have you studied that product with any depth?  I have a little.  If you understand it please share a bit.  Because I really don't get it.  It quite frankly worries the crap out of me.  Can't imagine that it's doing anything more than retarding brake pressure/application.

Even there application test written up on their website doesn't quite ring true.  At least it doesn't unless there is a version of their product that is different than what they've got pictured.

They describe using their product on an 08 touring bike that doesn't originally have ABS.  Their product is a banjo bolt replacement.  On the touring bikes with Brembo calipers the banjo bolt and bleeder screw are all one piece though.  And their replacement banjo does not have a bleeder screw built in to it.

Granted, if you're careful and you're lucky you can swap a banjo bolt quickly and (maybe) not need to rebleed.  But even if you are that lucky what if you need to bleed the system later?

Readily admit I don't understand the function that supports this products claim.  Just hope that someone does who can explain it.

Sorry Jettjockey, don't mean to jack your thread.    

I meant to say I’m considering it.  The reviews appear to be consistently positive, but that’s their website.  They could be gilding the lily…but that's just speculation on my part.
 
The diaphragm keeps full pressure from being exerted on the brakes, therefore lockup prevented.  What confuses me is we have steel braded brake and clutch lines because the rubber ones flexed under pressure after they got a little age on them, therefore making braking softer.  It appears this duplicates that same phenomenon.  Why would we want to go backward?

In the meantime, I’ll continue to do what I’ve been doing on non-ABS bikes over the last 40 years and feather my front and rear breaks in hard stops as much as possible.  A little more challenging with the forward controls, but doable.  

If any of you have had any experience with this product, I’d really like to hear about it.  The lack of the capacity for bleeding the brakes is a deal killer for me, provided it applies to my bike.  I don’t think the 07s came with Brimbo brakes.  And this one has the stock brakes.

Thanks for the input!  

[jettjocky]

no problem, we are all just getting this issue out,  & that was the purpose of the thread,  regards,