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[digga25]

Does anyone know if this system can be removed from one bike and added to a different bike, or is it married to the vin number like the TTS.

[hogasm]

You have to send in the new ECM and have it flashed

[digga25]

I didnt make my post very clear.I have a Rev Perf EMS on my 09 serg.Can this be removed from my bike and switched to another bike.

[Twolanerider]

I didnt make my post very clear.I have a Rev Perf EMS on my 09 serg.Can this be removed from my bike and switched to another bike.

Yes; and no. 

Physically yes it could if dealing with a similar year model bike.  Remember, however, that the tuning instructions programmed within that ECM are specific to the bike the ECM is installed on.  So only if the new bike had a a very close or identical build would you use it as a direct swap.

Pairing of the ECM and TSM/TSSM on bikes so equipped is also an issue.  The modules would have to be remarried on bikes on which the pair had never seen each other before.

[sadunbar]

I didnt make my post very clear.I have a Rev Perf EMS on my 09 serg.Can this be removed from my bike and switched to another bike.

The hardware supplied as part of the EMS system can be put on any bike.  But your EMS "map" has been downloaded into your ECM.  So you either need to also move your ECM to the other bike (and marry the ECM to the other bike), or you need to send the ECM from the 2nd bike to Rev. Pef. to have it flashed with the appropriate map.  If you go this route, you would also need to send the ECM from bike #1 back to Rev. Perf. to have it flashed back to a stock map.

So, to answer your question - yes - if it is a similar bike, but there are a few steps involved.  

[mjb765]

The hardware supplied as part of the EMS system can be put on any bike.  But your EMS "map" has been downloaded into your ECM.  So you either need to also move your ECM to the other bike (and marry the ECM to the other bike), or you need to send the ECM from the 2nd bike to Rev. Pef. to have it flashed with the appropriate map.  If you go this route, you would also need to send the ECM from bike #1 back to Rev. Perf. to have it flashed back to a stock map.

So, to answer your question - yes - if it is a similar bike, but there are a few steps involved.  

Very interesting....I called Rev Perf and asked the exact same question and was told "no" since the add-on module for the O2 sensors marries to the Vin

I completely understand the ECM situation and obviously that would need re-programming, but now I am not sure about the additional module.

[Twolanerider]

Very interesting....I called Rev Perf and asked the exact same question and was told "no" since the add-on module for the O2 sensors marries to the Vin

I completely understand the ECM situation and obviously that would need re-programming, but now I am not sure about the additional module.

The add-on module doesn't even plug in to the data port MJ.  Just carries o2 sensor information.  Also remember that when an EMS kit is ordered that module comes to you as part of the virgin package.  The module does not travel back and forth with the ECM for programming.  So no bike specific programming is ever done to the module.

Even if the module and bike did marry if the ECM was moved as part of the EMS kit to do the swap you'd still be good.  That assumes the ECMs are swapped between the bikes in question as part of the EMS swap.  But since the EMS package is primarily the work done within the ECM this gent is (hopefully) planning on doing that.  Otherwise he's not really swapping the EMS package at all.

[sadunbar]

Very interesting....I called Rev Perf and asked the exact same question and was told "no" since the add-on module for the O2 sensors marries to the Vin

I completely understand the ECM situation and obviously that would need re-programming, but now I am not sure about the additional module.

Not sure who you spoke to....but that's wrong.  Call back and ask for Brian...

[mjb765]

The add-on module doesn't even plug in to the data port MJ.  Just carries o2 sensor information.  Also remember that when an EMS kit is ordered that module comes to you as part of the virgin package.  The module does not travel back and forth with the ECM for programming.  So no bike specific programming is ever done to the module.

Even if the module and bike did marry if the ECM was moved as part of the EMS kit to do the swap you'd still be good.  That assumes the ECMs are swapped between the bikes in question as part of the EMS swap.  But since the EMS package is primarily the work done within the ECM this gent is (hopefully) planning on doing that.  Otherwise he's not really swapping the EMS package at all.

I understand the logic behind it....it didn't make sense to me either......I was just posting what I was told....

[Twolanerider]

I understand the logic behind it....it didn't make sense to me either......I was just posting what I was told....

Unfortunately what EMS does or doesn't do likely won't remain a large question in the aftermarket universe.  They've decided not to pursue updating the product so it'll not be made available for bikes 2011 and newer (at least not without jumping through the hoops of buying an older ECM to retrofit in).  With the product not being given expanding new markets the version for the older bikes will become in a way orphaned to limited demand, updating and attention. 

Too bad.  I still think it was the best/easiest engine management tool we've seen.

[mjb765]

Unfortunately what EMS does or doesn't do likely won't remain a large question in the aftermarket universe.  They've decided not to pursue updating the product so it'll not be made available for bikes 2011 and newer (at least not without jumping through the hoops of buying an older ECM to retrofit in).  With the product not being given expanding new markets the version for the older bikes will become in a way orphaned to limited demand, updating and attention. 

Too bad.  I still think it was the best/easiest engine management tool we've seen.

That's official?  They have stopped trying to crack the 2011 and newer models??

[Twolanerider]

That's official?  They have stopped trying to crack the 2011 and newer models??

Yeap....

[Midnight Rider]

Yeap....

That's a shame, as quite a few of you seem very happy with the product.  The bright side is that at least the chance of anything going wrong with what they've done are very slim, assuming that the O2 sensors they use are standard wide band and available elsewhere, or the equivalent thereof.

Reckon what the deal is that makes the newer ECM's more difficult to crack?

[Twolanerider]

That's a shame, as quite a few of you seem very happy with the product.  The bright side is that at least the chance of anything going wrong with what they've done are very slim, assuming that the O2 sensors they use are standard wide band and available elsewhere, or the equivalent thereof.

Reckon what the deal is that makes the newer ECM's more difficult to crack?

It's a Bosch 17014 type sensor.  Available at local parts store for around $50.  They actually use an unterminated version and put a Deutsch connector on it rather than what's normally there.  But that's just a connector swap.  So not a big deal.

Have no idea what the specific issues might be.  TTS, of course, has a product for the newer bikes.  While TTS might claim the insights necessary to defeat the code when others could not that might or not be an accurate comparison.  The EMS product is very intrusive in to several areas of the ECM even rewriting some base code while also leaving the ECM able to be accessed by standard diagnostics without issue.  TTS installs on your laptop and rewrites in just the tuning area (I think this is correct) but still recommends a return to stock state so dealer diagnostics can be done.  So the products aren't an apples to apples to comparison in either application or result.  Both productive but still different.

The only thing I know for sure, however, is that I don't know enough to know how difficult the task really is.  It is a shame the product's promising evolution won't proceed though.  On the upside, however, there's always someone somewhere working on "the next big thing."  Now we just wait to see what that might be.

[mjb765]

The only thing I know for sure, however, is that I don't know enough to know how difficult the task really is.  It is a shame the product's promising evolution won't proceed though.  On the upside, however, there's always someone somewhere working on "the next big thing."  Now we just wait to see what that might be.

Maybe a stock Harley that performs well enough from the factory so we don't have to do all of the chit to get them to run correctly right out of the gate