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K&N filter vs Stock filter
« on: February 28, 2012, 12:53:10 PM »

I did a search and didn't find much on this topic to my surprise? 

I was wondering if the stock filter in my 2011 CVO air cleaner is sufficient or if the K&N would be better?  I like the K&N simply because it's easy to maintain.  Didn't know if it would flow better than the stock filter :nixweiss:
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Re: K&N filter vs Stock filter
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2012, 01:33:33 PM »

To meet minimum filtration standards, paper air filters must be thick and/or the fibers must be tightly compressed and dense. Therefore paper elements that provide adequate filtration are more restrictive to air flow by design. Additionally, as a paper filter becomes more and more clogged, the pressure inside the filter drops while the atmospheric air pressure (approximately 14.7 psia at sea level) outside the filter remains the same. It’s like using your lungs to draw the air out of a plastic milk bottle. When the pressure differential becomes too great, the bottle will collapse. The same thing could happen to your paper filter, although it is unlikely. But what will happen could be just as severe. An excessively high pressure differential created by a restricted filter can literally pull dirt particles through the paper medium. In other words, the performance of a paper filter, i.e. air flow through the filter and its ability to protect your engine, DECREASES near the end of its service interval.

The K&N air filter is somewhat more complex. The unique design features multiple layers of oiled cotton fabric which captures the airborne dirt particles. These dirt particles cling to the fibers of the filter and actually become part of the filtering media. This process, known as depth loading, allows the K&N air filter to retain significantly more dirt per square inch than a paper filter. The cotton fabric is sandwiched between pleated aluminum screen. Pleating increases surface area which in turn prolongs service intervals. Pleating exposes substantially more surface area compared to a flat element like foam.

The dirt particles collected on the surface of a K&N element have little effect on air flow during much of its service life because there are no small holes to clog. Particles are stopped by layers of crisscrossed cotton fibers and held in suspension by the oil. As the filter begins to collect debris, an additional form of filter action begins to take place because air must first pass through the dirt particles trapped on the surface.  That means a K&N air filter continues to exhibit high air flow throughout the life of the filter while it is accumulating dirt.  At the same time, the air flow for an average paper air filter can decrease dramatically as the paper element gets dirty.  So as dirt accumulates, the performance advantages of a K&N air filter can increase!  Tests performed by an independent laboratory commonly known as the Frazier Permeability Test have shown that the Medium used in K&N air filters flows more than 300% more air than paper air filter medium when compared on a square inch per square inch basis. A Square inch comparison is not directly proportional to the increase you can expect from installing a K&N air filter in replacement of a paper air filter due to the effect of such things as filter size, number and depth of pleats. However, you can be assured a K&N air filter will provide dramatically more air flow which can enhance engine performance.
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Re: K&N filter vs Stock filter
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2012, 06:20:10 PM »

So your saying the K&N is better. Got it  :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: K&N filter vs Stock filter
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2012, 06:47:11 PM »

So your saying the K&N is better. Got it  :2vrolijk_21:

Actually that came from their website, I would add that @ $50.00 ish it's a fair price for the length the filter lasts......god knows we piss more money away on a piece of chrome with little to no value other then eye candy.  :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: K&N filter vs Stock filter
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2012, 09:23:52 PM »

True that Dick True that.  I've got parts waiting on a bike I haven't even bought yet.  :huepfenjump3:
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Re: K&N filter vs Stock filter
« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2012, 07:38:42 AM »

Anybody have a part number for the K&N air filter for the 2011 CVO SESG?
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Re: K&N filter vs Stock filter
« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2012, 08:45:46 AM »

Anybody have a part number for the K&N air filter for the 2011 CVO SESG?

HD-0910     http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=HD-0910

btw, IMHO it makes little sense to throw away a perfectly good stock filter just to replace it with the K&N.  The stock piece flows very well, and you already paid for it.  Run it until it needs to be replaced, THEN replace it with the K&N.  It's not the same situation as we used to have with the very restrictive filters on the older bikes, where you could get a big improvement in flow changing to an open filter and K&N element.  The Ventilator air cleaner is already a high flow unit.


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Re: K&N filter vs Stock filter
« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2012, 03:50:25 PM »

HD-0910     http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=HD-0910

btw, IMHO it makes little sense to throw away a perfectly good stock filter just to replace it with the K&N.  The stock piece flows very well, and you already paid for it.  Run it until it needs to be replaced, THEN replace it with the K&N.  It's not the same situation as we used to have with the very restrictive filters on the older bikes, where you could get a big improvement in flow changing to an open filter and K&N element.  The Ventilator air cleaner is already a high flow unit.


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Thanks for the info. I agree it seems to flow just fine.
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Re: K&N filter vs Stock filter
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2012, 01:13:19 AM »

HD-0910     http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=HD-0910

btw, IMHO it makes little sense to throw away a perfectly good stock filter just to replace it with the K&N.  The stock piece flows very well, and you already paid for it.  Run it until it needs to be replaced, THEN replace it with the K&N.  It's not the same situation as we used to have with the very restrictive filters on the older bikes, where you could get a big improvement in flow changing to an open filter and K&N element.  The Ventilator air cleaner is already a high flow unit.

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If I fitted the K&N filter element would that enable the bike to be ridden in the rain without having to use the Screaming Eagle filter sock?  Thanks/.
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Re: K&N filter vs Stock filter
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2012, 08:27:03 AM »

If I fitted the K&N filter element would that enable the bike to be ridden in the rain without having to use the Screaming Eagle filter sock?  Thanks/.

Water is still water, and if you get enough of it in the filter it will tend to choke off some airflow.  It will also wash a little oil out of the cotton fibers, and possibly some dirt through the filter.  So I would still recommend using the rain sock if you get caught in something more than a little sprinkle.  That would apply to any exposed filter, oiled or not.


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Re: K&N filter vs Stock filter
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2012, 08:05:15 PM »

I'm with grc.

I've still got the stock filter element on my '11 SE6, but I've got a K&N on my '05 WideGlide that has lots of engine mods.  I got caught in a near tornado situation; rain and wind was coming from all four directions at once and trees were flopping one way then another.  Before it got so severe, I had stopped the bike under a drive thru bank to wait it out, but the K&N filter got soaked.  When the rain let up, I tried to start the bike; it was choking the bike off.  I took off the K&N element and gently shook some of the water off, then waved it around with my arms trying to dry it just a little.  After reinstalling it, the bike started.  As I rode on, it sputtered a few times, then eventually straightened out by the time I got home.
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