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[UK1]

Just checked and saw that map on their site, thank you!!   Since we have 2.25" baffles do you think the 0000402 map (extreme True duals) would work better??

Yeap, good catch, works good.

[captdave221]

Ok glens I understand kinda what you said so I am only using the WB sensors for logging with my PV. I have stock o2 sensors off adaptive fuel control off. Seems to be working well enough. In your opinion would a MasterTune'd bike run and perform a whole lot better than a PV tuned one? The biggest diff I see is the TTS software allows you to pit in cams specs so the kpa readings are taken at a more correct time. I used a SE SUPER RACE TUNER 120 MAP as my starting map on my PV and am tuning from there. Idle kpa is around 30ish not in the high 40's like at first. Bike runs excellent I think but head temps are 277 to 288 in 100+ ambient temps. Almost too hot to enjoy riding. I think I was happier when I didn't have the ability to see head temps and oil temps while riding.

[glens]

I don't have enough experience with the both of them to say TTS would provide a "whole lot better" running bike than a would a PV.  In any case the only way to really know the answer to that question would be to comprehensively tune the same bike with both systems; a rather expensive operation for someone who's merely curious.  I know that there is more functionality with the TTS which could produce a better-running engine, especially in the part-throttle areas where the majority of time is spent.  It might not be a "night and day" difference but rather a "winter day" vs. "summer day".

Around 30ish is a better value at idle than high 40s, for sure, so the MAP poll timing in your current calibration is certainly more appropriate for your setup.

How are you determining the "head temps"?  If it's pointing an IR gun at the base of the spark plug I think those are great numbers.  Especially in 100+ ambient temps.  If it's pointing an IR gun at the middle of the intake side of the spark plug opening of the fins (which in my experience, at least with my inexpensive IR gun, closely matches the engine temperature reported by the ECM) then those numbers are high by maybe 10 to 20 degrees.  There's not much escaping the heat when the wind blowing on you going down the road is higher than your body temperature.  I'm inclined to believe the perceived temperature would be higher than ambient for the same reasons that "wind chill" works with temperatures in the other direction from body heat.

If you have the stock O2 sensors "off" then I wonder what effect the adaptive fuel control would have even if "on"...

[captdave221]

Adaptive control is off too along with the stock sensors. Temp numbers are cominf from the PV display on bars of bike. Got stuck in traffic and head temp went to 338! 

[cvobiker]

Perhaps a cry from what he'd initially asked, but maybe you'd noted the thread took a direction he himself followed?  What I'd said was directly in line with that direction.

I like to keep my private information a little closer to my vest than plastering it on a relatively open forum.  But thanks for asking.

No, I am not.

No, I do not.

No, and I'm unfamiliar with any places called or known by "Torrance".  Perhaps you'd be so kind as to inform me where or what it or they might be.

Expert?  Hardly.  Although if you were to deliver to me just about any system I'm confident I could use it very well; within the limits of what it can do at any rate.  



Do you have something in particular in mind, maybe?

Got a little bit ahead of yourself with that question?  You hadn't yet determined whether I claimed expertise with any system.  I still don't know just what it is you might have in mind so I cannot focus further in on anything for you at this point.

What I said about the PV data logging is (at least was as of September of last year, when I spent some time with some PV data logs and dissected them) bona fide and indisputable.  As I stipulated earlier, I don't know just what the current status is in that regard.  That is if anything has changed.  I doubt it has.  Do you know one way or the other?  Do you even understand what it is I'd said?  If so, do you agree or disagree?  If you disagree, please clearly state why that is so.  If you've never looked at any data logs from any of the products, just come right out and admit it.  If you have any recent PV data logs, post one up and I'll show you with it what I'm talking about.

Hey Glen, Sorry for lagging behind here, just not enough time to make all the rounds, and I Just wanted to make sure I caught up with your questions/concerns you asked so you don’t think I’m some kind of ‘STRANGER’ here.  So to catch up with you -

You said: What I'd said was directly in line with that direction of the poster.

And I say  ‘Not Really’ Glen, the poster simply asked for a “Fuel Moto” map after he installed Vance & Hines Duals w/ 4” Rinehart’s dresser duals mufflers and he could not find a Map for his Fuel Moto Ignition.  Your reply simply eluded around his question, and directed that he wasn't using the right iG system. Oposite what he asked for help with!

I questioned your expertise and asked why you seem to keep your identity/expertise under wraps. You replied “ I like to keep my private information a little closer to my vest rather than plastering it on a relatively open forum".  
I say, 'this is an open forum'.  Period..   I’ll will tell you Mr. Glen(s)..  I, wouldn't put much recognition to you or anyone trying to hide his/her creditability on this forum? Your postings seem to direct that you have a lot of knowledge with ignition tuning systems but your creditability doesn’t hold with me, so unless you share more of of your 'personal' expertise I’ll stick with the knowledge and what I hear from creditable forum members here. Thank-You

I asked if you were  related or associated with a vendor?  and you said ‘NO’.  Although you say you say you are NOT affiliated with a vendor, my suspension still points that you are.  Only because - one; you feel a need to keep your real identity and knowledge close to your vest;  and - two; I’ve seen this same pattern supporting a certain vendor at other forums under similar situations!

Another question I asked’ “are you in connection with a certain company in Torrance"..  I asked this ONLY because suspensions said you are (gee don’t ask me where I pick this up.),   You said your not connected.  BUT I still don’t trust your answer,, But that's JMO. For now anyway!

I asked you about your expertise with fuel injected tuning systems overall. And you said   “ Hardly.  Although if you were to deliver to me just about any system I'm confident I could use it very well; within the limits of what it can do at any rate.  Do you have something in particular in mind, maybe?”..  

I respond to this anser by saying  this was a loaded answer and i suspect that you must not know anything about Fuel Moto, So YOU should have been a simple observer rather than someone stipulating they knew something by prescribing ‘ ANOHTER' recourse”  (or Vendor)  !!

I asked you ‘What is your 'hands on'v experience with each of the ignition these systems you claim expertise with'?  And your answer basically reflected you didn’t know squat about anything I was referring too.   I question you, what happend to the question from the originally poster, regarding his ‘Fuel Moto System’. This was HIS Topic...

And finally,  I asked you if you are  ‘FOR REAL’ or ‘JUST BS” and you replied “What I said about the PV data logging is (at least was as of September of last year, when I spent some time with some PV data logs and dissected them) bona fide and indisputable.  As I stipulated earlier, I don't know just what the current status is in that regard.  That is if anything has changed. .“

Well, I say, Glen,, you got me total baffled with that one ( BS??) and this is why I said “ A fry cry from what the poster was asking”
.........

And with your reply to the poster I say,, maybe,, JUST maybe you should have not acted as an EXPERT,, and just helped the poster with his question, if you had the expertise to helpo with his question.… But not to worry Glens.. a ‘real Fuel Moto Expert’ has been in touch with the original poster, UK1, and i bet he has a smile from ‘ear to ear’ with his Fuel Moto setup..after the real experts helped him  ☺  

[glens]

It rather sucks the way this forum software deals with multiple levels of quoted material.  But no matter in the end.

If you review the entire thread without any preconceived notions you should readily see that I did indeed follow the flow of the thread with my initial post, and that I indeed did not portray myself as an expert.  Facts are facts no matter who states them.  My participation is primarily to both pass along what I know (gleaned some from here and other forums, some from direct experience, and some from independent study), and to learn what I can.  So far what I've been able to glean from you is that you have a non-helpful agenda of some sort.

My presence here is entirely as a hobby with no affiliation whatsoever, past or present, with anyone who offers here or is mentioned here as offering here any parts or services.  I'm acquainted with Feulmoto, having purchased items from them several times over the past several years.  Jamie has both e-mailed me directly and called me at home to chat about stuff and we have engaged each other publicly and congenially in several forums throughout the time I've known him.

If you want to further discuss anything I've mentioned in this thread, apart from response to your personal questions/accusations, please feel free to do so.  My inclination is that you will not and I will not address you further regarding any of this totally-off-topic crap you've invented.  That last bit also goes for any future threads in which we may both participate.

[prs2xs]

I'm personally tired of listening to "Glens" give his "professional " opinion on every tuner available, as though he has the final word on what works and what doesn't. I own and have used SEST, TTS, Twin Scan with WegoIII, and PV with BB auto tune. Bashing the PV only makes me laugh. It gives as good of a tune as any of the others. I'm not willing to get into a dialog with Glens or anyone else about this, just tired of sideline commentators giving us the benefit of their indisputable knowledge. Just had to get this off my chest-sorry for the rant.

[glens]

Thanks for sharing your opinion.  Let us know if you're still laughing after you've compared everyday part-throttle operation fully tuned with a TTS .mt8 calibration against any of the others on the same bike.  Personally, I don't need to go to all that trouble because there's no way the others can stack up absent some very rare and fortunate circumstances.

BTW, providing cautionary information such as I did doesn't constitute "bashing" in my book.  I think the PV is cool and if they added some functionality after fixing the logging issues I'd be inclined to try one.

[djkak]

At the risk of jumping into the middle of a broiler session; based on the posts of Glens that I have read, I feel that he is one of the more credible posters on this site. When you consider the broad range of experience in the audience, together with the narrow scope of appeal for Glens niche, it’s amazing that he hasn’t been flamed back to 1960 for his contributions.

[sadunbar]

At the risk of jumping into the middle of a broiler session; based on the posts of Glens that I have read, I feel that he is one of the more credible posters on this site. When you consider the broad range of experience in the audience, together with the narrow scope of appeal for Glens niche, it's amazing that he hasn't been flamed back to 1960 for his contributions.

I concur...