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[rxbob]

I get how to set up the computer but what is the best way to ride (on the road) to do the v-tune?
Assume no one else is on the road and I can ride anyway I like.

Cheers
Bob
 

[Unbalanced]

I would start out by getting idle set right, then i would do 3 or 4  30 minute rides like you would normally ride.    that will show you the area that you have already gotten and what you need to get.   After that your prolly going to want to do a lot of 2-4th gear roll ons to WOT.   I would not just crack the throttle and go as it needs to gather data and then you should have a pretty full up to 80 percent mapping.   for 90-100 some will extend and blend out, I would suggest a dyno for the 60-100 percent throttle filling.   

[Steve Cole]

The only thing you need to remember is that you need to ride different than you normally would. It takes about 5 -6 seconds of data per cell that you need to fill in. You do that by allowing the engine to accelerate slowly up the RPM range. You will need to ride in a higher than normal gear to help fill in the lower RPM area. I tell everyone to start by doing a Vtune sitting still in the driveway where you can watch the PC screen to see how it works. This gives you a better idea of what you need to do. While you can only do a small area sitting still you will get the idea pretty quickly of how it works.

Once you've do it go do a short ride, no more than 15 minutes. See what you've got and what you missed so that you can get better on the next run. If you have hills around that are long up hils that helps.

[North Georgia Hawg]

I use my iPad mounted on a RAM mount on the left handlebar - connected via an ad-hoc WiFi network to the laptop in the Tour Pak. I can put the VTune histogram on the iPad, and I can see each RPM/kPa cell fill in and turn from red to green as I ride.  It's pretty fun to do, really. I have completely filled up all cells from 1500-5000 RPM and 20-80 kPa in a 30-minute run doing this, numerous times. The 80 kPa column is much more difficult to fill up... hard to get a lot of 3000-5000 RPM 80 kPa cells green unless you have a very open road in front of you. Since the AirDisplay app I use on the iPad and laptop provides touch input, I can start and stop the data collection as I need to, right from the iPad. It's pretty cool.

Doing VTune runs with a monitor I can see fill in as I ride has significantly cut down the time I have to spend doing VTune runs, and has greatly increased the quality of the data I have collected - because it takes all the guesswork out of the process. The display enables me to focus in on the cells for which I still need to collect more data. I get very few yellow cells in VTune when I do the merge.

It's WAY easier to do VTune runs on a highway or on rural roads where you don't have a lot of slowing traffic to deal with... much more difficult, and dangerous, to do VTune runs on city streets.

Ken

[rxbob]

Thanks for the replies.
Just need to get off my duff and do it.

Cheers
Bob 

[Cvostu]

You can look for a good tuner 

[North Georgia Hawg]

You can look for a good tuner 

He already HAS a GREAT tuner, Stu! The TTS!   

[North Georgia Hawg]

Thanks for the replies.
Just need to get off my duff and do it.

Cheers
Bob 

Bob - if you're in the South, don't do it THIS weekend!

Forecast for Atlanta is:

Today	106
Saturday	108	We'll be in the POOL...
Sunday	106
Monday	104
Tuesday	95	That'll feel downright BALMY...

[Fireguy]

I use my iPad mounted on a RAM mount on the left handlebar - connected via an ad-hoc WiFi network to the laptop in the Tour Pak. I can put the VTune histogram on the iPad, and I can see each RPM/kPa cell fill in and turn from red to green as I ride.  It's pretty fun to do, really. I have completely filled up all cells from 1500-5000 RPM and 20-80 kPa in a 30-minute run doing this, numerous times. The 80 kPa column is much more difficult to fill up... hard to get a lot of 3000-5000 RPM 80 kPa cells green unless you have a very open road in front of you. Since the AirDisplay app I use on the iPad and laptop provides touch input, I can start and stop the data collection as I need to, right from the iPad. It's pretty cool.

Doing VTune runs with a monitor I can see fill in as I ride has significantly cut down the time I have to spend doing VTune runs, and has greatly increased the quality of the data I have collected - because it takes all the guesswork out of the process. The display enables me to focus in on the cells for which I still need to collect more data. I get very few yellow cells in VTune when I do the merge.

It's WAY easier to do VTune runs on a highway or on rural roads where you don't have a lot of slowing traffic to deal with... much more difficult, and dangerous, to do VTune runs on city streets.

Ken

I would like to see more of how you do this with the iPad. (make a simple for a simple guy)

[North Georgia Hawg]

I would like to see more of how you do this with the iPad. (make a simple for a simple guy)

Be careful what you ask for!!! This is about as simple as I can make it... Sorry it isn't simpler - but the network setup and remote monitor setup is only a one-time thing.

I'll have to do this in two posts due to size limitations...

PART 1 of 2

First, you need to get a RAM mount that goes on your bars, or the one I got that goes on the clutch perch, and also get the iPad bracket (RAM-HOL-AP8U). The RAM mounting bracket is about $50, but the iPad bracket is only about $20. That's the easiest part! The good thing with this approach is that there are no wires to run from the laptop up to the iPad.

Then, you need to install some type of "remote monitor" app on the iPad and the laptop - so the iPad can function as a monitor for Windows on the laptop. There are lots of these kind of apps, but I use the Air Display iPad app from the App Store. It's from Avatron. I think it was $10 but I don't really remember. It goes on the iPad, and there is a corresponding piece that goes on the laptop that you can download for free from http://Avatron.com.

Then, you need to set up your laptop to host an "ad hoc" WiFi network. You will need to define a new "ad hoc" network using the Windows network support. This procedure is a bit different for Windows XP and Windows 7. I still run XP on my laptop, so I will show you that. The Win 7 procedure is easier because they have improved the user interface for a lot of things in Win 7, but a lot of the dialogs are still the same.

To Create an ad hoc Wireless Network on the laptop (Windows XP):

Right-click on the little wireless net connection icon in the system tray at the lower right of the screen, or use the Control Panel to open the network settings. This will open the Wireless Network Connection dialog. My home wireless network is "MartiniBar", BTW... that's why it's already there.




Click the "Properties" button, and you will get this dialog.




Click the "Add" button to add a wireless network, and you will get this dialog. Fill it out as shown below, being sure to check the "This is a computer-to-compuer network (ad hoc) network..." checkbox. The Network Name (SSID) can be anything you want... but you will need to set up the iPad later to connect to this same network name.




Click the "OK" button, and you will see the following warning dialog because you chose to not have the new wireless network be encrypted. Click the "OK" button to continue.

You can encrypt the new wireless network if you want to - but if you do, you will need to key in the password on the iPad to connect to it. I don't feel it's necessary for this particular application.




Click the "OK" button, and you will see the Network Properties now looks like as shown below, with the new ad hoc wireless network configured.

You should also move the new network connection to the top of the list, so your laptop tries to connect to it first.




I also turn OFF my Windows Firewall on the laptop, to avoid any issues with the iPad and laptop talking to each other. You can do this from Control Panel - Windows Firewall:

[North Georgia Hawg]

PART 2 of 2::

On the iPad:

You need to configure a Network Connection to enable it to connect to your new ad hoc wireless network. Go into Settings, then Network, and you will see a screen like this:




Tap "Other" to add a new Network Connection, and you will see this screen. Fill it out with the Network Name, and select "None" for Security, as shown below - then make sure your laptop is trying to connect to your new wireless network, and tap "Join".




At this point, in a short period of time, you should see both the laptop and the iPad are connected to the new ad hoc network. You should see the Network screen look like this on the iPad, with a checkmark next to the new network, showing you that it's connected:




You then need to start the Air Display application on the iPad. When you open the Air Display app, you should see this screen:




and then this screen when you tap the second tab:




NOW, BACK ON THE LAPTOP, right click the little Air Display icon in the System Tray, and you will see something like as shown below. Your iPad should show up as an Air Display device (my iPad is named "Kendall Carpenter's iPad"). ALSO, be sure that the Air Display "Options - Mirror Mode" is NOT checked, as you do not want to mirror the entire laptop display on the iPad - you only want to move the TTS DataMaster histogram onto the iPad screen. You can play around with Mirror Mode if you want, but I don't use it.




Click on your iPad's name, and the laptop Air Display app should then connect to the iPad Air Display app, and the iPad should then become a remote display for the laptop. It will turn to an all white screen when this happens. You can then start TTS DataMaster, click File - Record VTune Data, and then drag the histogram window onto the iPad screen and size it to fill the screen. On my iPad it looks like this, at this aspect ratio. You can move the slider in the Histogram window up and down to display everything so it's easily readable:




I hope this helps you. Good luck!

Ken

[98fxstc]

Ken

I read your post on Friday afternoon (here in Australia) and was thinking about your setup over the weekend and this morning was going to send of a request for a bit more info.

BUT ITS ALL HERE !!!
Very clever and thankyou for sharing !

Only problem I can see for me is no fairing and the ipad may cop a bit of buffeting but I will work something out .

Thanks

[North Georgia Hawg]

Ken

I read your post on Friday afternoon (here in Australia) and was thinking about your setup over the weekend and this morning was going to send of a request for a bit more info.

BUT ITS ALL HERE !!!
Very clever and thankyou for sharing !

Only problem I can see for me is no fairing and the ipad may cop a bit of buffeting but I will work something out .

Thanks

You're welcome! The RAM mount is very sturdy, and my iPad is out there in the wind, not behind the fairing. I haven't had any problems with it.