Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  
Pages: [1] 2  All

Author Topic: Sony RX-100...The ultimate Point & Shoot?  (Read 2168 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Midnight Rider

  • AKA: TCnBham
  • 10K CVO Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 11107
  • FLHRSEI.ORG

    • CVO1: 2011 SERGU Rio Red (sold)
Sony RX-100...The ultimate Point & Shoot?
« on: October 18, 2012, 07:07:29 PM »

Have been doing a lot of reading about this new offering from Sony in the "pocket" camera catagory.  This camera is truely pocket sized at 4"X2.29"X1.41".  Zeiss Vario-Sonar T lens with a range of 28-100 f1.9-4.  20.2 Megapixel.  Here's the kicker:  A full 1" sized sensor, which is the size of the Nikon V1 series, and larger by about 2 times the best of the "small" cameras, and 2.7 times larger than most in it's class. All aluminum body; Pop up, tiltable flash; ISO range from 100-6400, and from images I've seen, and reports I've read, truely usable images up to ISO 1600, even for large prints.  6400 for web pictures.  It's kind of spendy at $648, but it might be worth it for those who want a high quality, fully capable pocket camera.  This may be the camera that pros and enthusiasts have been waiting for with regards to a backup camera for when they don't want to lug around their DSLR.  It's also quite capable with video as well...1080p and respectable FPS.  SD, SDHC, or SDHX cards.  Shoots RAW photos, and of course JPEG's.  HDR in camera.  Panorama Stitching in camera, so the need for a wider lens is taken care of.  If you need anything longer than 100mm, you're hosed.  But 95% of my photos are at less than 100mm.  Macro capable.

Don, are you listening?  http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-cybershot-dsc-rx100

Concerned about a point and shoot not being able to utilize filters and hoods?  Here's a place to solve that problem:  http://www.lensmateonline.com/store/

Traveling or just riding on the bike and doing photography has always seemed a bit of a PITA for me, especially lugging around a DSLR and associated lenses.  My DSLR cameras tend to be heavy because I will only have what would be cosidered a "pro" level body (read: heavy).  So, at minimum, I'll have a bag that's at least 10"X10"X8", which takes up quite a bit of room.  Plus, when you want to grab a shot while riding, you have to pull over, get off, dig the camera out of the TP, etc.  This camera can be put in a shirt or jacket pocket, or carried in a small case on your belt, instantly accessible.  And that's half the battle when taking photos.  Like they say, the best camera you can have is the one you'll carry with you.

If you don't need to produce prints at the 13X19" size or larger, this camera would not make a lot of sense, as there are other offerings that can do the job of taking good snapshots, and with care, some nice "real" work.  But this one takes it to another level for those of us who are used to the image quality and some of the features of a DSLR.

I'm going to sell a couple of lenses I don't use and get one of these cameras.  The Canon G10 is now officially Judi's camera.... ;) :drink:
Logged
Sometimes it takes a whole tankful of fuel before you can think straight.
I had the right to remain silent, just not the ability...

Gone, but not forgotten...2011 FLTRUSE with
Fullsac X Pipe w/2" Baffles
Legend Air Ride Rear Shocks
Traxxion Dynamics AK-20 Front Suspension
Clearview GT13 Windshield
TTS Mastertune

110tHunDer

  • 10K CVO Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 14319
Re: Sony RX-100...The ultimate Point & Shoot?
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2012, 07:18:57 PM »

 
This site is nuts.  I've been wanting to upgrade my point-and-shoot but wasn't sure what to get.  Log on here and come to find out, Terry's done all my homework for me.  Thanks, Terry.  Thanks, Neal. :2vrolijk_21:
Logged

Henrycm

  • Full CVO Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 202
    • Sunny Spirits
Re: Re: Sony RX-100...The ultimate Point & Shoot?
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2012, 07:29:57 PM »

Sounds nice, looks like I might have to snag one of these.

What flashes are u gonna be selling? Any lenses for sell?

Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk 2
Logged

Fired00d

  • Global Moderator
  • 25K CVO Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 32685
  • Orange & Black SEEG... Can it get any better?
    • VA


    • CVO1: FLHTCSE
Re: Sony RX-100...The ultimate Point & Shoot?
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2012, 07:45:25 PM »

And all this time I was happy with my...


Then they come out w/this new one on steroids!!! I'm glad I'm not into photography like some of you guys... hell I forget to take the one I have now when I go riding. ;D

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Logged
:pumpkin: 2004 Screamin’ Eagle Electra Glide :pumpkin:
Rinehart True Duals
SE Breather
SE Race Tuner
HogTunes Speakers
Zippers 575 Gear Drive Cams
Zippers Pro-Tapered Adjustable Push Rods
Zippers Oil Pressure Bypass Shim
Feuling Oil Pump
Feuling Lifters
Zumo 550 W/Flame Caps
Lyndall Z+ Brake Pads
CVOHarley Member #1234
PGR Member #754 (Since '05)
Proud Member EBCM #2.0

Twolanerider

  • 25K CVO Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 50584
  • EBCM #1.5 Emeritus DSP # ? Critter Gawker #?
    • MO


    • CVO1: 2000 Triple Red Screamin' Eagle Road Glide
    • CVO2: 2002 Candy Brandywine Screamin' Eagle Road King
    • CVO3: 1999 Arresting Red FXR2
Re: Sony RX-100...The ultimate Point & Shoot?
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2012, 08:16:33 PM »

And all this time I was happy with my...


Then they come out w/this new one on steroids!!! I'm glad I'm not into photography like some of you guys... hell I forget to take the one I have now when I go riding. ;D

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:

That thing got billet hinges?




TC, I like this camera.  A lot.  Had been reading about it recently but the link is the first full review I've actually sat and read from end to end.  There's not much not to like if you're looking for a pocket sized P&S.

Like you've I've got used to SLR bodies while riding.  Though I'll scrooge out on the lens a bit when I'm on the bike.  This little beastie is tempting.  It's an expensive pocket camera.  But the large sensor and some of the other bells and whistles go a long way to compensate.  Shooting 1080p and high res stills concurrently with that sensor is impressive.

Guess if I wanted to rationalize the price a bit could just think, "hmmm, what would that capability have cost two years ago?"  Of course the flip side is to wonder what it'll cost a year from now....
Logged

porthole

  • 10K CVO Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 10770
  • Welcome to the Machine

    • CVO1: 2005.3217-45 FLHTCSE2
    • Porthole II
Re: Sony RX-100...The ultimate Point & Shoot?
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2012, 10:05:21 PM »

So Terry, you don't like it  :nixweiss:
Logged
:fireman: Duane  :fireman:

2005 Cherry SEEG
1982 LowRider * 1974 XLCH * 1972 Adnoh
You can't control the weather, only how you deal with it

Midnight Rider

  • AKA: TCnBham
  • 10K CVO Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 11107
  • FLHRSEI.ORG

    • CVO1: 2011 SERGU Rio Red (sold)
Re: Sony RX-100...The ultimate Point & Shoot?
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2012, 03:47:40 PM »

So Terry, you don't like it  :nixweiss:


Yea, Duane...enough to order one on Amazon with a Lowepro Apex 100 case, the Sony "hard" LCD protector, an extra battery, a 52mm B+W XS-Pro Kaesemann CP, a 52mm B+W Clear UV MRC, and a 32GB Sandisk Extreme SDHC card.  12 months same as cash.  Might as well use their money for free.

I also ordered, from the second link I provided, Lensmate, the kit giving you the ability to bayonet the two filters (one at a time, of course), and the rubber hood.  Also the little CNC aluminum grip that sticks on the right front of the body...I have to have a finger grip or a camera doesn't feel right in my hand.  And I must have the ability to use filters.  That's one of the things that has always been an issue for me with P&S cameras...using a polarizer and a lens hood for more serious photos.
Logged
Sometimes it takes a whole tankful of fuel before you can think straight.
I had the right to remain silent, just not the ability...

Gone, but not forgotten...2011 FLTRUSE with
Fullsac X Pipe w/2" Baffles
Legend Air Ride Rear Shocks
Traxxion Dynamics AK-20 Front Suspension
Clearview GT13 Windshield
TTS Mastertune

Midnight Rider

  • AKA: TCnBham
  • 10K CVO Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 11107
  • FLHRSEI.ORG

    • CVO1: 2011 SERGU Rio Red (sold)
Re: Sony RX-100...The ultimate Point & Shoot?
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2012, 04:06:40 PM »

That thing got billet hinges?




TC, I like this camera.  A lot.  Had been reading about it recently but the link is the first full review I've actually sat and read from end to end.  There's not much not to like if you're looking for a pocket sized P&S.

Like you've I've got used to SLR bodies while riding.  Though I'll scrooge out on the lens a bit when I'm on the bike.  This little beastie is tempting.  It's an expensive pocket camera.  But the large sensor and some of the other bells and whistles go a long way to compensate.  Shooting 1080p and high res stills concurrently with that sensor is impressive.

Guess if I wanted to rationalize the price a bit could just think, "hmmm, what would that capability have cost two years ago?"  Of course the flip side is to wonder what it'll cost a year from now....

Precisely, Don...What ends up happening with me and a DSLR is that I don't take the photo because I don't want to stop and get off the bike.  And carrying it around my neck is not an option with the bodies and lenses I'm used to using...it's like having a brick dangling from your neck.  I've never had any real complaints with the G10 for snapshots, but it has limitations, particularly in low light.  It just can't do more than ISO 400 without getting some serious noise.  And it's not really pocket sized...more a coat pocket size.  I thought about the G12, G15, or the G1X, then ran up on this one while looking around one day.  As you said, there's not much to dislike about it for what it is.  It's not perfect...I'd like for it to have a 24mm at the short end, but then it would not be a pocket camera any more, and one can use the panoramic sweep mode if wider is needed, then crop later.  I've been reading mulitple reviews, viewing image links, and seeing if it actually had the functionality for what I need when I'm seriously taking a good photo.  It does.  A 17MB+ RAW file is plenty.  And the video capability is just an added bonus.

As I said, for somebody who just likes to snap pictures, it's probably too much money and too much camera, but if you want to go beyond that, it's a game changer.  Hopefully, all of it will be in my hot little hands in a week or so.  And if you use Adobe Lightroom for PP, or Photoshop, they now have a RAW convertor plug in, so the Sony software, which from all my reading leaves a little to be desired, is no longer an issue.  I use Lightroom for all PP...it's the best thing since pajamas with feet on 'em.

No doubt prices may drop a little, particularly when other manufacturers play catch up, but it's only money, and I want it NOW.   :huepfenlol2:
Logged
Sometimes it takes a whole tankful of fuel before you can think straight.
I had the right to remain silent, just not the ability...

Gone, but not forgotten...2011 FLTRUSE with
Fullsac X Pipe w/2" Baffles
Legend Air Ride Rear Shocks
Traxxion Dynamics AK-20 Front Suspension
Clearview GT13 Windshield
TTS Mastertune

Midnight Rider

  • AKA: TCnBham
  • 10K CVO Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 11107
  • FLHRSEI.ORG

    • CVO1: 2011 SERGU Rio Red (sold)
Re: Re: Sony RX-100...The ultimate Point & Shoot?
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2012, 04:11:39 PM »

Sounds nice, looks like I might have to snag one of these.

What flashes are u gonna be selling? Any lenses for sell?

Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk 2

I've got a Nikon 70-300 VR on Ebay now...about an hour left on the auction.  And I might have a Gitzo tripod and Acratech GV2 Ballhead for sell, with carry case...I haven't decided about selling that yet.  But I do have a nice Lowepro Flipside 300 backpack, that is NEW...never used.

My next "big camera" will be FX format, but that's only going to happen if/when we get to travel more, which is a couple of years off.  Regrouping after moving...
Logged
Sometimes it takes a whole tankful of fuel before you can think straight.
I had the right to remain silent, just not the ability...

Gone, but not forgotten...2011 FLTRUSE with
Fullsac X Pipe w/2" Baffles
Legend Air Ride Rear Shocks
Traxxion Dynamics AK-20 Front Suspension
Clearview GT13 Windshield
TTS Mastertune

Midnight Rider

  • AKA: TCnBham
  • 10K CVO Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 11107
  • FLHRSEI.ORG

    • CVO1: 2011 SERGU Rio Red (sold)
Re: Sony RX-100...The ultimate Point & Shoot?
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2012, 04:13:00 PM »


This site is nuts.  I've been wanting to upgrade my point-and-shoot but wasn't sure what to get.  Log on here and come to find out, Terry's done all my homework for me.  Thanks, Terry.  Thanks, Neal. :2vrolijk_21:


Happy to oblige, Brian.  I've researched this to death...surprise, surprise.  ;) :huepfenlol2:
Logged
Sometimes it takes a whole tankful of fuel before you can think straight.
I had the right to remain silent, just not the ability...

Gone, but not forgotten...2011 FLTRUSE with
Fullsac X Pipe w/2" Baffles
Legend Air Ride Rear Shocks
Traxxion Dynamics AK-20 Front Suspension
Clearview GT13 Windshield
TTS Mastertune

Midnight Rider

  • AKA: TCnBham
  • 10K CVO Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 11107
  • FLHRSEI.ORG

    • CVO1: 2011 SERGU Rio Red (sold)
Re: Sony RX-100...The ultimate Point & Shoot?
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2012, 05:36:09 PM »

Got this little camera yesterday from Amazon.  As mentioned, I got an extra Sony battery, the semi-hard LCD screen cover, a Lowepro Apex 100 AW camera bag, the Lensmate "kit" to enable mounting of 52mm (they also make it for 49mm) filters, an extra mounting ring for the other filter I'm going to use (makes changing filters a lot faster/easier), the Richard Franice's grip for the RX-100 (also available through Lensmateonline.com), a 52mm Rubber hood, a B+W Digital Pro 010 UV Haze MRC filter (52mm), and a B+W XS-Pro Kaesemann Circular Polarizer w/MRC and Nano coatings.  I got the camera, filters, battery, Lowepro bag, and LCD cover through Amazon.  Everything else came from Lensmate.  The Lensmate stuff, including the small grip, is very easy to install, sticking to the lens ring and body with a 3M type adhesive.  The Sony LCD protector also sticks on with similar adhesive.

Most people would not need the filters, etc.  But, I use filters often, and that's always been one of the things I hated about P&S cameras, particularly not having the option of putting a polarizer on the lens.  The UV Haze filter has MRC coating, to reduce ghosting and flare, and will serve as a lens protector.  And most people would not spend the kind of money I do on the B+W filters, but, IMO, they are the best on the market, being machined of solid brass and using German Schott glass. The Lensmate kit adds about .5" to the thickness of the camera, so it's still totally pocketable.  The little aluminum grip is nicely made...CNC machined, and just sticks on the right front of the camera to give your fingers something to hold on to.  The camera is REALLY small...literally fitting in the palm of your hand.  It is made of aluminum and feels substantial in the hand, despite it's size.  The LCD screen is nice and bright, even in sunlight.  It comes with a wrist strap, and two other connectors for a neck strap if you wanted to put one on it (it does not come with the strap, only the means to connect one).  The supplied manual is very basic, but there is a User's Guide available on line that delves deeper into the functions on the camera.  The lens ring is a really nice feature, enabling you to either zoom, change shutter speed/aperture, exposure compensation, etc., depending on what shooting mode you're in.  You can assign it things to do as well, by setting up camera shooting "banks" for your particular way of shooting.  You can also just set the thing on Auto, Program, a "regular" intelligent shooting mode, and a "super" intelligent shooting mode, which takes more than one frame (if the algorithm decides it needs to) and combines them for proper exposure.  Also has Aperture Priority, Shutter Priority, and Manual.  Records images in small, medium, and fine Jpeg, or RAW, or RAW + Jpeg.  Fine Jpegs are about 5mb each.  RAW + jpeg is 17mb each...large files.  Mulititudes of other settings in the camera.  It really is a "Pro's" point and shoot.  ISO's are completely useful up to 1600, producing prints in the 24X36 range, down to 13X19.  Above 1600, up to 3200, you can still get usable images, but they would not print over 11X14 without some loss of detail.  The Macro setting is pretty good, but only works well at the 28mm end, and the lens is very close to the subject. I have an old Nikon 6T Diopter (rare as a hen's tooth, with outstanding quality) which will allow me to be more versitile for any Macro stuff I might want to do.  Bottom Line: The camera is quite capable of doing almost everything a full blown DSLR will do, with a few exceptions, of course.  But for 90% of what I do, even with a DSLR, this little camera will do it.  You'd be hard pressed to tell a 13X19 print produced by this camera compared to a $4000 DSLR.  Seriously.  The lens is just slightly soft at the extreme edges wide open...stop it down one notch, and everything is fine.  You have to really look to see the softness though.  In all my years of photography, with multitudes of different lenses, all of them have some weakness somewhere in the range, with rare exceptions. Particularly zooms.  You can also put a level on the LCD screen to ensure you're not taking crooked pictures.  One of the neatest functions is the Panoramic setting...you can set it for left/right, right/left, up/down...you then just start, hold the shutter button down, and sweep the camera in the direction you chose.  The camera then processes the images, stitches them together, and shows you what it came up with.  It works, and you can do a nearly 180 degree photo doing this.

The Lowepro Apex 100 AW is the perfect bag for what I got...it holds the camera with the Lensmate filter system attached easily, along with an extra filter in the box it came in, extra battery, memory card, rubber hood, microfiber lens cloth, and a lipstick style dust brush...with room for an additional filter, if needed.  If you only had the camera, battery, and memory card, the Apex 60 AW would be plenty.  The bag has a nice padded strap,or you can simply slide your belt through the back and carry it on your hip.  Either carry method would keep the camera easy to get to, even when riding.  The AW bags have a little rain cover that hides in the outside bottom for dust/rain protection.

Highly recommended...
Logged
Sometimes it takes a whole tankful of fuel before you can think straight.
I had the right to remain silent, just not the ability...

Gone, but not forgotten...2011 FLTRUSE with
Fullsac X Pipe w/2" Baffles
Legend Air Ride Rear Shocks
Traxxion Dynamics AK-20 Front Suspension
Clearview GT13 Windshield
TTS Mastertune

DDavidson

  • 1K CVO Member
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2284

    • CVO1: 2009 FLTRSE3 Yellow Pearl/Charcoal Slate
Re: Sony RX-100...The ultimate Point & Shoot?
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2012, 06:20:16 PM »

My requirements would be that the camera would need to be controlled by my left hand because that is what I prefer to use when riding.  Since they shut off automatically I would need to be able to power it on wearing my winter (padded) gloves. Most on/off switches are too small to operate with gloves. Many of the controls are on dials and get reset when you put the camera in your pocket.

I had a nice pocket Nikon but the controls and flash seemed to be in the wrong places. They put the flash on the left top corner and I would hand the camera to people to take a flash photo and I bet 99% of people held the camera on that corner and blocked the flash from raising. Gave that to my mother.

The Canons I bought had great controls but the telescopic lenses couldn't handle the dust and would jam making the camera inoperable.  Can't buy a good camera in the Monument Valley area I found out.

Logged
Semper Fi
Get your "Motor Running Head", out on the highway!

What we've got here is... failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men

Midnight Rider

  • AKA: TCnBham
  • 10K CVO Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 11107
  • FLHRSEI.ORG

    • CVO1: 2011 SERGU Rio Red (sold)
Re: Sony RX-100...The ultimate Point & Shoot?
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2012, 05:06:36 PM »

My requirements would be that the camera would need to be controlled by my left hand because that is what I prefer to use when riding.  Since they shut off automatically I would need to be able to power it on wearing my winter (padded) gloves. Most on/off switches are too small to operate with gloves. Many of the controls are on dials and get reset when you put the camera in your pocket.

I had a nice pocket Nikon but the controls and flash seemed to be in the wrong places. They put the flash on the left top corner and I would hand the camera to people to take a flash photo and I bet 99% of people held the camera on that corner and blocked the flash from raising. Gave that to my mother.

The Canons I bought had great controls but the telescopic lenses couldn't handle the dust and would jam making the camera inoperable.  Can't buy a good camera in the Monument Valley area I found out.

It would be possible to operate this one with your left hand...it's so small.  Even my hands (I wear a small men's glove) can reach the on/off and shutter buttons.  The on/off button is sort of recessed and is quite small, so I don't know how well you would be able to work it with thick gloves on.  I suppose you could set the camera up to not shut off automatically.  You'd have difficulty operating the zoom though.  That's probably true on most any of them.  The Flash on this one pops up when needed...it's recessed into the top left of the body, so if you're working in Auto mode, it'll let you know if it needs flash.  You can also make it pop out manually, so it would be virtually impossble for anyone to block the flash.  Have you thought about a fixed lens P&S like some of the Lumix?.  It would not be as versitile, but for grabbing shots while riding it would probably be fine.  Dust/dirt is definitely an issue with zoom lenses.
Logged
Sometimes it takes a whole tankful of fuel before you can think straight.
I had the right to remain silent, just not the ability...

Gone, but not forgotten...2011 FLTRUSE with
Fullsac X Pipe w/2" Baffles
Legend Air Ride Rear Shocks
Traxxion Dynamics AK-20 Front Suspension
Clearview GT13 Windshield
TTS Mastertune

darth davidson

  • FLTRUSE
  • 1K CVO Member
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1481

    • CVO1: 2011 CVO Road Glide Ultra
Re: Sony RX-100...The ultimate Point & Shoot?
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2012, 05:18:34 PM »

On trips , I always carry my Canon 5d Mark II. For anything thing else I have a Sony Cybershot DSC TX66. 18 Megapixels etc .
Logged

porthole

  • 10K CVO Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 10770
  • Welcome to the Machine

    • CVO1: 2005.3217-45 FLHTCSE2
    • Porthole II
Re: Sony RX-100...The ultimate Point & Shoot?
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2012, 05:40:23 PM »

 :worthless:
Logged
:fireman: Duane  :fireman:

2005 Cherry SEEG
1982 LowRider * 1974 XLCH * 1972 Adnoh
You can't control the weather, only how you deal with it
Pages: [1] 2  All
 

Page created in 0.256 seconds with 20 queries.