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Extended Warranty
« on: January 16, 2013, 03:42:33 PM »

How long do most Keep their Extended Warranty , I wanting to keep my bike at least three more years or longer and riding a lot, thats why I will need to get the warranty .
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Re: Extended Warranty
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2013, 04:48:43 PM »

go with the longest you can afford.  as long as it is not longer than you are planning on keeping your bike.  from what i understand, you can get a 5 year extended, and then before it expires, you can renew it again, giving you a total of 12 years coverage.  if you plan on keeping your bike that long (and in near stock trim), it could save you some big money.

but, be very careful that any mods that you plan to do do not void the warranty coverage.  remember, this is not a 'warranty' it is an 'extended service plan' and as such does not fall under the same rules that a warranty does under the magnusson moss warranty act.
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Re: Extended Warranty
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2013, 06:18:03 PM »

go with the longest you can afford.  as long as it is not longer than you are planning on keeping your bike.  from what i understand, you can get a 5 year extended, and then before it expires, you can renew it again, giving you a total of 12 years coverage.  if you plan on keeping your bike that long (and in near stock trim), it could save you some big money.

but, be very careful that any mods that you plan to do do not void the warranty coverage.  remember, this is not a 'warranty' it is an 'extended service plan' and as such does not fall under the same rules that a warranty does under the magnusson moss warranty act.
I could be wrong but I think ekim60 would have a 2year factory warranty and before it expires could purchase an additional 5 year Extended Service Plan for a total of 7 years not 12 years total. I sure others will chime in. Being careful with the mods at certain dealers can be a problem and has been documented on this site.   
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Re: Extended Warranty
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2013, 06:27:58 PM »

I could be wrong but I think ekim60 would have a 2year factory warranty and before it expires could purchase an additional 5 year Extended Service Plan for a total of 7 years not 12 years total. I sure others will chime in. Being careful with the mods at certain dealers can be a problem and has been documented on this site.   
When my ESP was about to expired I got a letter from dealer I purchased it from stating I could purchase another ESP if I purchased it before my initial one expired. I didn't check on it but I think that may be what ekim60 is speaking of when he mentions the total of 12 years (Original Factory Warranty 2 Years, Initial ESP 5 Years, Additional ESP 5 Years = 12 Years total).

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Re: Extended Warranty
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2013, 07:03:29 PM »

You can renew your ESP shortly before it expires, BUT your bike must have less than 75k on the odometer in order to qualify.  I've had way more than 75k on my '07 for almost two years so no chance to renew the ESP on that bike.
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Re: Extended Warranty
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2013, 08:01:35 PM »

When my ESP was about to expired I got a letter from dealer I purchased it from stating I could purchase another ESP if I purchased it before my initial one expired. I didn't check on it but I think that may be what ekim60 is speaking of when he mentions the total of 12 years (Original Factory Warranty 2 Years, Initial ESP 5 Years, Additional ESP 5 Years = 12 Years total).

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OK, Wow didn't know they would go two 5 year terms on ESP. Do you think very many people have bought that many years of coverage? Do they even know it is available for that long? Learn something every day!
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Re: Extended Warranty
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2013, 08:07:04 PM »

OK, Wow didn't know they would go two 5 year terms on ESP. Do you think very many people have bought that many years of coverage? Do they even know it is available for that long? Learn something every day!
I don't know how long this has been a practice and other then getting the letter about it I'm not sure how much it's publicized/promoted. As Jerry (UltraFXR) mentions there are some limits on it so hard to say how many can/do take advantage of it. :nixweiss:

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Re: Extended Warranty
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2013, 08:23:13 PM »

I don't know how long this has been a practice and other then getting the letter about it I'm not sure how much it's publicized/promoted. As Jerry (UltraFXR) mentions there are some limits on it so hard to say how many can/do take advantage of it. :nixweiss:

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Even tho I plan on keeping my 09' for a long time, it is to late for me to buy now, that's good info for the future. 
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Re: Extended Warranty
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2013, 08:30:23 PM »

Even tho I plan on keeping my 09' for a long time, it is to late for me to buy now, that's good info for the future. 
Are you still under the original ESP coverage? If so contact the purchasing dealer for more information. If you are no longer under the coverage of your original ESP I don't believe you will be able to purchase the (extended) ESP. If I remember correctly the extended had to be purchased before the original ESP expired.

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Re: Extended Warranty
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2013, 08:42:31 PM »

My dealer told me, that with an inspection it can be purchased after the original warranty is done.....but, for the first 30 days no claims will be honored. After that...it's just like normal.
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Re: Extended Warranty
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2013, 08:54:48 PM »

Are you still under the original ESP coverage? If so contact the purchasing dealer for more information. If you are no longer under the coverage of your original ESP I don't believe you will be able to purchase the (extended) ESP. If I remember correctly the extended had to be purchased before the original ESP expired.

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After a very long,long, debate with myself, I decided not to buy the ESP when my factory warranty expired. So far that decision has not bitten me in the azz. I was thinking it was good info for me when I get a newer bike for my wife. She has already told me she gets the next new or at least previously loved bike. 
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Re: Extended Warranty
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2013, 10:32:56 PM »

I didn't check on it but I think that may be what ekim60 is speaking of when he mentions the total of 12 years (Original Factory Warranty 2 Years, Initial ESP 5 Years, Additional ESP 5 Years = 12 Years total).

exactly what i was talking about.  thanks.  wasn't aware of the 75k limitation though.
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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2013, 12:12:28 PM »

OK, Wow didn't know they would go two 5 year terms on ESP. Do you think very many people have bought that many years of coverage? Do they even know it is available for that long? Learn something every day!

I did.  I have 2 yr. original followed by 5 years of ESP.  I hear people say you are wasting your money on ESP's, but i really don't care.  It's a $26,500 bike with a lot of expensive to replace parts.  I got the warranty for $1054 which is about 4% of the cost of the bike.  Absolutely a no brainer for me.

I am crazy about my CVO, but i have read too many horror stories about things that go wrong with CVO bikes(particularly motor/mechanical related-those seem to be legendary), so i just assume something is going to break and i want the MoCo to eat the cost when it does!  

I've had my Breakout for 3 months with 1200 miles, and the paint is already starting to peel from the underside edge of the front fender....hopefully that's where my problems end, but I just like the piece of mind, knowing that the expensive stuff will be taken care of for several years down the road.
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Re: Extended Warranty
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2013, 01:35:30 PM »

This is always tough since everyone and every bike is different.

When I bought mine, I opted for a three year additional and figured that once I had my payments made and had enough experience with it that all the bugs were worked out I would ,instead of extending the esp, take some $ and have the shop do a regular engine inspection.  If I am going to spend the money I would rather know what is going on inside the engine than just do the maint and hope all is still well.

If you are into mods, that will also make a difference on your decision.
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« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2013, 01:51:16 PM »

I did.  I have 2 yr. original followed by 5 years of ESP.  I hear people say you are wasting your money on ESP's, but i really don't care.  It's a $26,500 bike with a lot of expensive to replace parts.  I got the warranty for $1054 which is about 4% of the cost of the bike.  Absolutely a no brainer for me.

I am crazy about my CVO, but i have read too many horror stories about things that go wrong with CVO bikes(particularly motor/mechanical related-those seem to be legendary), so i just assume something is going to break and i want the MoCo to eat the cost when it does!  

I've had my Breakout for 3 months with 1200 miles, and the paint is already starting to peel from the underside edge of the front fender....hopefully that's where my problems end, but I just like the piece of mind, knowing that the expensive stuff will be taken care of for several years down the road.

Hate to burst the bubble, but the MoCo won't be eating the cost, you and all the rest of the people who paid for the ESP are the ones footing the bill.  The ESP repairs don't cost the MoCo, they profit from them.  It's a big win for Harley when they can find a way to make stuff last two years until the factory warranty expires (or just screw you out of repairs with the infamous "that's normal" story), then fail shortly after so they can make more money selling all those repair parts to the ESP folks.  If you want to make sure the MoCo eats the cost, make sure your stuff breaks in the first two years.

The best way to think of an ESP is to think of it as being very similar to an insurance policy.  The insurance company (or ESP company) prices it's products in such a way as to cover all claims and provide a tidy profit.  The policy holders are the ones ultimately paying the benefits.  It's called shared risk.  For every "winner" in the ESP lottery, there are by definition plenty of "losers" who are paying for the winners claims.  There is no incentive for the MoCo to improve the long term reliability of their products under this system, so it's not terribly surprising they haven't done much.  Lately there have been increasing numbers of reports that the ESP company has been getting much more involved in inspections prior to authorizing repairs, and being chicken chit about the fine print so they can avoid paying for repairs.  Just handing over some extra money for an ESP these days is no guarantee of a good outcome.  If you run afoul of a chicken chit dealership or ESP rep and you've modified anything you could find yourself on the short end of the stick even though you handed over a pile of extra cash up front.

I look at things differently, and if I go back over all those years I've bought cars and bikes and major appliances without paying for an ESP, I can come up with perhaps two times in all those years when I had a failure that would have been covered.  Overall, I am many many thousands of dollars ahead of the game.  If you're a person who believes in statistics and probabilities, it's not hard to say no when anyone starts pitching ESP's for most purchases.  Just plain common sense will tell you that the only way an ESP can work is for the majority to receive much less in benefits than they paid in premiums.  At the end of the day, the ESP company takes in more money than they pay out, or they go out of business.  Last time I checked, most ESP companies are doing really well.

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