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Re: Color & Diamond Cut: And So It Begins
« Reply #165 on: November 01, 2006, 08:53:30 PM »

different perspective
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Re: Color & Diamond Cut: And So It Begins
« Reply #166 on: November 01, 2006, 08:53:52 PM »

and another
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Re: Color & Diamond Cut: And So It Begins
« Reply #167 on: November 01, 2006, 08:55:04 PM »

Don't have an image of the chamber of the cylinder head before Zippers' machine work for comparison and contrast.  But here's what it looks like after their work:
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Re: Color & Diamond Cut: And So It Begins
« Reply #168 on: November 01, 2006, 08:55:28 PM »

again
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Re: Color & Diamond Cut: And So It Begins
« Reply #169 on: November 01, 2006, 08:56:14 PM »

And lastly a view with a component next to the bike.  Something to allow an idea of the color match.
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Re: Color & Diamond Cut: And So It Begins
« Reply #170 on: November 01, 2006, 08:59:51 PM »

Well worth the wait, Don.....
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Re: Color & Diamond Cut: And So It Begins
« Reply #171 on: November 01, 2006, 09:00:44 PM »

General impressions are that the look is going to be very nice and very impressive once it's all on the bike.  Vendor's be damned in achieving that as were it not for our own perserverance and nearly unattainable levels of patience we'd never actually get jobs successfully done.  But assuming the patience of Job and the willingness to accept the hassles of working with vendors for specialties we can't do ourselves this will be nice when it's done.

The faceting of the diamond cut really stands out beautifully against the red background.  The red has a good pop to it in good light too.  But the diamond cutting makes it all jump right in your face.  Zipper's machine work looks to be unquesitionably good as well.  Hopefully the remainder of the parts will show sooner rather than later and work might actually begin on the bike.
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Re: Color & Diamond Cut: And So It Begins
« Reply #172 on: November 01, 2006, 09:51:10 PM »

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Well worth the wait
Brian, I actually don't think it is.  

You're right.  The parts look great.  But if I had a crystal ball that would have suggested what it would have been like to get this done I'd never have started the process.  In fact I'll not contain it any longer; here's the diatribe:

Dale (HDJamsTX) posted his parts for sale.  I paid him promptly.  He shipped promptly.  Dale is the ONLY vendor in this entire process who has simply done what he promised, did it well, and did it right the first time and in even close to the time frame he promised.  

EVERY OTHER VENDOR has been an accident waiting for a place to a happen, an encyclopedia of excuses for delay or a role model for the hubris implied in the attitude of apparently not believing that their own feces are without odor.

Start with Sumax.  Before the parts got to me from Dale I'd contacted them about color samples.  Must pick colors for them to begin their work.  They are, by nearly universal report, the best.  The best in North America for doing this work.  The industry leader.  The people that really know how to do it.  

That may be.  And the final product may be beautiful.  But they were careless, arrogant, arbitrary and untenably slow in the process.  First request for color chips was met with a promise of a half dozen chips to look at.  A week later two show up.  Nothing quite matches.

Call to ask about the "others."  Send them right out I'm promised.  In the mean time parts are prepared to send to them to save the wait.  A week passes.  Nothing.  Another call.  Another week.  Etc etc etc.  Finally five weeks in have color chips in hand.

Pick a color.  They like the color and are impressed that my tastes match their (whoop-dee-fukking-doo).  Color is chosen, parts are in their hands, "ten days or so" to get the work done I am promised.  

In the mean time I had (of course) thoroughly inspected the parts I'd received from Dale.  They told me they'd received and inspected the parts as they came to them from me.  Time passes.  At 11 business days in they let me know they're just cutting started.  They call the next day, they had blasted the parts to strip the silver power coat and done other prep work.  Another call later that day; oops, their is a problem.

So now, 2 weeks in to a ten day job they are calling to tell me they have just noticed damage on a cylinder.  This is a cylinder they've already been working on.  Already washed and cleaned several times.  Already inspected on receipt once here and once there.  Now they tell me the cylinder is "badly" cracked in it's extension that slides down inside the cases.  Sure enough, when I get it here later it's been dropped and struck from the inside of the cylinder, cracking the bore.  No way that possibly happened in UPS.  No way it happened before as it was a bad and obvious bit of damage.  No way they could have missed it while washing and blasting the parts.

So they busted a cylinder.  They wouldn't admit to it.  They tried to blame every other possible contingency.  But there was nothing to be done about it; especially since they'd already bead blasted the original finish off all the parts (that was convenient of them to let me know at that point, by the way).

So I find a cylinder at a Harley shop that, according to them, is about 50 miles from them.  They won't even consider going to pick it up.  So it's shipped over, more time is lost, but finally everything is done there.  From first attempt to get color chips to parts leaving their shop was two months and one extra cylinder.  No compensation and barely a thank you.  

The parts go to Diamond Heads for the diamond cutting.  On the phone these people are great to speak with.  I find out a peculiarity after the fact (from a site member here) that their "standard cut" doesn't cut "everything."  A couple of small areas nearly impossible to see are left off.  They do offer a service to cut it all.  It's called their "show cut."  Only problem you have to know to ask for it.  They don't mention it on their web site and they don't tell you about it when you're speaking with them.  

I should be ok though.  The only extra thing the "show cut" does that I really would want is the "Screamin Eagle 103" script on the heads to be cut.  But I had specifically asked them about that script.  They added it to the work order.  It should be good to do.  And Diamond Heads was quick too.  They received the stuff one day and had it ready to go to Zippers just a couple days later.  They were on the ball and performed promptly.

Then to Zippers.  Initial conversations there were with Tony, who was fired from Zippers before parts actually arrived at the company.  During my conversations with him I'd been told to expect "two to three weeks" for everything to get done and that the Thundermax (including closed loop) parts should be ready by that time also.  My work order is picked up by Kitzmiller himself for the remainder of the handling.

That, of course, is now nearly two months ago also.  Parts have finally arrived to me sans the Thundermax.  I've been told the T-max stuff would be in to ship and complete the order back before we all left for Maggie Valley.  Been told they'd be here "soon" or "in a few days" twice since.  There are still no parts.  I'm not holding my breath.  Whenever......

And when the parts get here from Zippers I open the boxes to inspect them this evening.  The "Screamin' Eagle 103" script on the cylinder heads isn't cut.  Diamond Heads dropped the ball too.  

So now still have to see what jeopardy is attached to all the completed machine work by asking them to potentially complete the diamond cutting work that they specifically promised me would be done the first time through.  Then ship the heads band and forth to a vendor one more time.
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Re: Color & Diamond Cut: And So It Begins
« Reply #173 on: November 01, 2006, 10:23:10 PM »

Dang Don, Sorry to hear about your Frustrations. But I bet Spydglide would give you a few free sessions just to help you with your  >:(anger management.  ;D ;D ;D

Its sad that people cares more about the all mighty DOLLAR than taking pride in there work anymore.
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Re: Color & Diamond Cut: And So It Begins
« Reply #174 on: November 01, 2006, 10:28:01 PM »

quoting your last paragraph,
"So, no, if I knew now what I knew nearly five months ago I[ch8217]d never have started this mess.  It[ch8217]ll look good when it[ch8217]s done.  But there is no way in hell it was worth the hassle of dealing the vendors we[ch8217]re forced to deal with and pay premiums to in today[ch8217]s world."

Remember it's only 1/2 over,
Now you have to put it together.

As I look at bikes that clearly have loads and loads of work done to them I think,
That's nice! (no Don not like that) but then have to wonder how painful the process really was.
The agony of the lies, the wait, the disappointments with promises missed, now that for Chip gives me the respect for custom work like you are doing.
Imagine the "Hell" Hubbard has been thru to get Maude to where she is.
It's a tough road to take but hopefully Don it's justified as you watch people look at your bike and hear the compliments on the work. Only you and just a few other that have been down that road will really understand the agony of your process.

Good luck with the rest!
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Re: Color & Diamond Cut: And So It Begins
« Reply #175 on: November 01, 2006, 10:41:15 PM »

 ;) :D
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Re: Color & Diamond Cut: And So It Begins
« Reply #176 on: November 01, 2006, 11:07:28 PM »

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Thanks Chip. I appreciate that.  Really do.  

The only thing that makes the final part of the job (assembly) less worrisome is that I'll do it myself. Still got to get the remaining parts from Zippers (already billed for them by the way, just not shipped them).  Still got to contend with Diamond Heads on the last cutting (or decide to just bail out on it and move on).  

Got to tell you though Chip, with all the horror stories we see here and amongst friends off the site about trouble they have getting bike work done I'd be close to running away and crying like a little girl right now.  To still have that to contend with after all the vendor hassles really could be just more trouble than it's worth.  

Many of us remember all the trouble Mrs We had getting relatively simple work done to her bike when it was new.  And all the other stories we see about work done not just badly but stupidly (like Terry's recent chain tensioner issue) or just not done at all (like all the 10k service stories).  It's just nuts was as a group have to contend with that kind of work (or lack of).  Poor vendor services on top of poor service itself and it's a wonder we try to do anything to these machines.  

You're right, it's a testament to the perserverence of the guys riding them, what they want to get done and what their visions for the machines are.  All our respect and admiration goes there; to the guys.  The suppliers take our money, but they sure as hell too rarely earn anything like our respect anymore.
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Re: Color & Diamond Cut: And So It Begins
« Reply #177 on: November 02, 2006, 12:44:01 AM »

Don - you, like usual, have so eloquently described much of the sheer agony I (and many others) have gone through when having even the simplest services performed - let alone more extreme customization like what you're doing! For what it's worth, have Diamond Heads cut the 103 script in the heads!
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Re: Color & Diamond Cut: And So It Begins
« Reply #178 on: November 02, 2006, 02:57:15 AM »

I really liked the diamond cut when I saw it other than the pics of the melt down earlier.

Now 2Ln, this is a complete melt down of another sort.

Best of luck with the rest of the project, I can't wait to see it in Nelson.
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Re: Color & Diamond Cut: And So It Begins
« Reply #179 on: November 02, 2006, 08:52:49 AM »

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Poor vendor services on top of poor service itself and it's a wonder we try to do anything to these machines...
Right you are...my experience over the past two years while customizing my ride is that this very poor service is pervasive in the industry. I experienced it with the custom painter (what a nightmare), custom engraver (quality, but veeery slow), chromer (poor quality and slow) and others.

The one thing that If have noticed is that most vendors that I have dealt with will tell you anything to get your business, but in the end, they just don't deliver. I keep going back because I am trying to get my bike to look and run the way that I want it to. I try to convince myself that a little anxiety and an ulcer along the way is worth it...and in the end, it's a beautiful ride!
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