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ceramic coating ?
« on: March 02, 2013, 07:40:46 PM »

been thinking of sending off my V/H Pro Pipe exhaust system to have it  ceramic coating done...my ques is is it worth doing ?
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Re: ceramic coating ?
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2013, 08:47:16 PM »

Have Fullsac x pipe that is ceramic coated, had V&H true duals that weren't. I can't tell any difference.  :nixweiss:
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Re: ceramic coating ?
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2013, 10:11:42 PM »

Had my D&D Fat Cats ceramic coated.  While they did look good I could not tell any difference.
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Re: ceramic coating ?
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2013, 10:31:16 PM »

Had my D&D Fat Cats ceramic coated.  While they did look good I could not tell any difference.

Same result. Looks good and doesn't turn blue-purple.
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Re: ceramic coating ?
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2013, 11:19:22 AM »


I'm not sure what benefits people were expecting, but if they thought a ceramic coating all alone would make a drastic difference in the amount of heat they feel on their foot and leg, I'm sure they were disappointed.  While some places might hype their product with such claims, and might even be able to provide temperature readings that show a difference, I don't think too many riders have calibrated legs that can easily tell the difference between 1000°F and 900°F for instance. F'n hot is still f'n hot.

I would expect an internal ceramic coating to help keep more heat in the pipe and increase exhaust velocity, but without strictly controlled testing I wouldn't claim any particular amount of difference.  As for the external coating promoted by several companies, I feel like those are probably beneficial in terms of the long term appearance of the pipe but once again I've not seen scientific evidence of any heat reduction or performance improvements that are also implied by some of the companies.  If I had a set of pipes with cosmetic issues that were otherwise in excellent physical condition, I'd be inclined to use one of the Jet Hot type coatings in the color of my choice to renew the appearance.  But I wouldn't do it just for a supposed performance improvement that would be hard to prove or feel.

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Re: ceramic coating ?
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2013, 06:20:45 PM »

thank you all for the info  :)
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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2013, 06:46:10 PM »

I have NitroPlate coatings on my 427 Corvette & on my V&H True Duels on my 2012 SESG, I haven't noticed any type of performance gains in either machine & never expected any but from a cosmetic aspect it's worth the cash in my opinion.
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Re: ceramic coating ?
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2013, 09:40:53 PM »

Had my D&D Fat Cats ceramic coated.  While they did look good I could not tell any difference.

Same here

 
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Re: ceramic coating ?
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2013, 12:25:42 AM »

Pulling from several years old memory here.  Only once did ceramic coating on headers on a bike.  Was done for cosmetic reasons but the OCD wouldn't allow me not to screw with the details a bit.  Using a relatively inexpensive handheld IR gun the differences (or lack of) were what one might expect.

Heat soaked was heat soaked.  No difference on a hot engine at low speed or still.  At highway speed (Road King, no fairing) the ceramic pipes shed heat just a little more efficiently.  Though I don't remember the raw number the difference was less than 10%.  Not enough that your leg would over know it.  Sitting still after shut off on what was warm summer days the ceramic coated pipes dropped half their heat (measuring about 6 inches behind the rear head) about 10 minutes more quickly than did the same pipes before coating and got back to ambient less than 20 minutes more quickly.

It was all differences that mean nothing or almost nothing to how the engine ran or what it's efficiencies were.  Was just anal retentive curiosity run amok on a couple of hot summer afternoons before and after sending pipes out.
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Re: ceramic coating ?
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2013, 12:44:51 AM »

been thinking of sending off my V/H Pro Pipe exhaust system to have it  ceramic coating done...my ques is is it worth doing ?

"worth doing" is just a tad subjective.  Why are you looking to coat them and what are your expectations?  What color are you looking to do them in?
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Re: ceramic coating ?
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2013, 07:12:37 AM »

"worth doing" is just a tad subjective.  Why are you looking to coat them and what are your expectations?  What color are you looking to do them in?

for heat dissipation  on my friend's bike

he's been looking at coating the pipes or doing the wrap on them

expecting lower heat temps on the right side of bike

now in my case i was looking for  increase power ..but after reading the response's I'll  just save my money
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Re: ceramic coating ?
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2013, 09:26:31 AM »

My experience lent itself to zero discernible heat buildup prevention So I would never recommend ceramic coating for that. If it's the aesthetics your after go for it. JMO
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Re: ceramic coating ?
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2013, 11:21:50 AM »

for heat dissipation  on my friend's bike

he's been looking at coating the pipes or doing the wrap on them

expecting lower heat temps on the right side of bike

now in my case i was looking for  increase power ..but after reading the response's I'll  just save my money


You never mentioned what type or ceramic so I’m going to assume regular “Bright Ceramic”.   If you're expecting to feel some surge of increased power thru your "ass dyno", you're likely going to be disappointed.  Coating them will in most cases make a bit more HP, but not enough for you to tell the difference.  If your pipes are Vance & Hines race pipes or any other type of pipe made from very thin SS, you should see a VERY noticeable difference in reduced temp and a better than average bump in HP.

If you’re looking to reduce radiated and keep the pipes looking nice for a long time I think you’ll be very happy.  Within minutes of shutting your bike off you can touch your ceramic coated pipes.  Try that with your existing pipes… If your goal is thermal efficiency you can also have special interior coatings done at the same time that will keep the pipes even cooler yet.  If you have a system with heat shields this allows you to create multiple layers of protection.  Either way you should see a significant difference…

Wrapping the pipes is an effective way to reduce temps as well, and many like the look of it if they are done properly.  The down side to wrapping is that the pipes are prone to accelerated corrosion from trapped moisture.  If you plan to wrap I DEFINITELY recommend ceramic coating first.  Doing so will protect the pipes from rusting away and provide an additional heat reduction.

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Re: ceramic coating ?
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2013, 11:57:21 AM »

I sent a set of drag pipes to JET HOT for them to coat inside and out. I rewally liked teh strong black finish, held up better than high-temp paint. I noticed a slight difference in heat at idle. But i'm not sure how mufflers adding restriction would change that. Mostly they looked great.
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Re: ceramic coating ?
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2013, 03:32:36 PM »

... The down side to wrapping is that the pipes are prone to accelerated corrosion from trapped moisture.  If you plan to wrap I DEFINITELY recommend ceramic coating first.  Doing so will protect the pipes from rusting away and provide an additional heat reduction.

Don't want to start anything here, but I'm not sure if ceramic coating will actually protect a set of pipes that have been wrapped? About 3 years ago I wrapped a set of ceramic coated pipes hoping to reduce the heat on my passenger's leg. Recently had to replace the pipes because they rusted through. Granted, they were only coated on the outside, and may have rusted through from the inside. When I replaced the pipes I talked to the manufacturer, and was advised against wrapping the new pipes because of corrosion concerns. I think the ceramic coating probably helped to preserve the pipes longer than they would have lasted otherwise. Maybe it was the particular coating that was used, or...?
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