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Re: T MAX closed loop update
« Reply #75 on: October 09, 2006, 10:41:04 PM »
Boatman you are very close. The narrow band sensors do in fact self tune ( the way the MOCO wants it to) to meet and stay within EPA specs. Also the narrow band sensors are either open or closed during their operation. The Zippers wide band actually reads what temps the exhaust is and will adjust the fuel to stay within a TARGET AIR FUEL mixture that you can program in the Thunder Max. If you program in 13.1 it will stay there untill you change it to another setting. It can also adjust for performance or economy.

The new system is way ahead of its time.

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Re: T MAX closed loop update
« Reply #76 on: October 10, 2006, 07:16:46 AM »
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Boatman you are very close. The narrow band sensors do in fact self tune ([highlight] the way the MOCO wants it to) to meet and stay within EPA specs. [/highlight]Also the narrow band sensors are either open or closed during their operation. The Zippers wide band actually reads what temps the exhaust is and will adjust the fuel to[highlight] stay within a TARGET AIR FUEL mixture that you can program in the Thunder Max.[/highlight] If you program in 13.1 it will stay there untill you change it to another setting. It can also adjust for performance or economy.

The new system is way ahead of its time.

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First, thanks Boatman. I have a better understanding now with your explanation.  :)

Dawg,

The first highlight - even if I have a SERT? WHen I set a certain MAP for say true duals, AC & certain mufflers will the SEUC adjust accordingly or will it still stay within the parameters that MOCO set into the ECM? Or will it go within the new parameters of the SERT?

Second highlight - Will the SERT not do this? Set A/F ratio?

Thanks again for all of your help! The clock is ticking as my Smurf is due in this week and I plan to have the Bassani's installed by Softbrake in Daytona next week so I will either need to put in a SERT or a TMAX while in Daytona as well, and then get the Auto tuner when it becomes available.

This may be important. I ride 2 up 85% of the time. Use the bike for long day trips or weekend trips so its usually loaded. Do at least 15,000 miles per year. Want the most power I can get and stay at a decent MPG. I am like Ron Popiel - I like to "set it and forget it". I do my own oil changes and accessories but leave the motor work to the real mechanics. I like long walks on the beach at night in mid summer. The feel of that first hint of fall in the air....... oh sorry, wrong topic.  ;D
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Re: T MAX closed loop update
« Reply #77 on: October 10, 2006, 04:02:24 PM »
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Re: T MAX closed loop update
« Reply #78 on: October 22, 2006, 08:30:47 AM »
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I did talk to JK today. They are still waiting on the shipment. I was told anyday now. They are willing to ship one to MV for me to show everyone and to hook up my Thunder Max to my lap top. If it were me I would be on the list for the Thunder Max.

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DC or anyone else:
I've spoken to Zippers twice over the past twenty days. One call with Steve (everyone in a meeting) and one call with John (everyone in Myrtle & phone ringin' off the hook in the background).
They seem to really be rockin' with the past two Biketoberfest weeks. They too are telling me any day which has now been since my first call the third week of Sept.
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Re: T MAX closed loop update
« Reply #79 on: October 22, 2006, 12:56:02 PM »
Are we going to be having a group buy on these?  :)

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Re: T MAX closed loop update
« Reply #80 on: October 22, 2006, 01:09:17 PM »
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DC or anyone else:
I've spoken to Zippers twice over the past twenty days. One call with Steve (everyone in a meeting) and one call with John (everyone in Myrtle & phone ringin' off the hook in the background).
They seem to really be rockin' with the past two Biketoberfest weeks. They too are telling me any day which has now been since my first call the third week of Sept.
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Re: T MAX closed loop update
« Reply #81 on: October 22, 2006, 01:18:56 PM »
I also am on the list, been there for some time.  I was told it was shipping about 10 days ago when I got a JIMS 120 kit with TMax- but no closed loop system has arrived yet. [smiley=confused5.gif] Hope they dont sell out their pre orders at Myrtle, that wouldn't be good.
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Re: T MAX closed loop update
« Reply #82 on: October 22, 2006, 01:58:36 PM »
I would be intereted if a group buy could happen.
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Re: T MAX closed loop update
« Reply #83 on: October 22, 2006, 03:49:36 PM »
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I would be intereted if a group buy could happen.

I'd love to be in on that myself. I've been running on a borrowed PCIII waiting for this closed loop system to hit the market.  ;D
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Re: T MAX closed loop update
« Reply #84 on: October 22, 2006, 05:01:24 PM »
RE: Zippers/Thunderheart Closed Loop....   Destination Daytona..  I picked up the Wide Band Kit, software and the ECM from Zippers on Thursday from John.     He seemed to indicate they had plenty at the time.  

When I went back today, Sunday, around noon, most everyone was packing up except for a few vendors cleanin up with 'lower price giveaways.'  

BTW, Sunday was not the day to see much since the rest of the stuff around Daytona, Speedway, Beach Street etc, was a ghost town compared to Rossmeyers Destination at Ormond Beach.

As for Zippers, as of right now, they do not have any maps for a 110  FLHTCUSE2, but should next week. He said they had a 110 in the shop temporarily donated.  They will upload it as soon as it's completed. In the meantime, not sure what base map would be worth a try or not.



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Re: T MAX closed loop update
« Reply #85 on: October 22, 2006, 09:06:02 PM »
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I picked up the Wide Band Kit, software and the ECM from Zippers on Thursday from John.
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Re: T MAX closed loop update
« Reply #86 on: October 22, 2006, 09:15:37 PM »
I can not understand the thinking (or lack of thinking) at Zippers. Total BS if it is actually true that they are selling to new customers prior to filling back orders. Reminds me of when I am at a parts counter with cash in hand and they pick up the phone and BS  for ten minutes to soimeone and sell them the last item  while I am left to fume.  Excellent way to lose customers-no matter how good the product. Pretty sure everyone feels this way.
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Re: T MAX closed loop update
« Reply #87 on: October 22, 2006, 09:17:29 PM »
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Doesn't make you like it any better though.


And I reply to that,

Very well said Don!  [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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« Reply #88 on: October 22, 2006, 09:39:22 PM »
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And I reply to that,

Very well said Don!
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Re: T MAX closed loop update
« Reply #89 on: October 22, 2006, 09:53:12 PM »
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It's unfortunate to have to assume that Zippers made the choice they did here.

We all know what happens when we assume!
Lets hope that our assumptions are wrong.
Hopefully Zippers does have a logical explanation.

[highlight]And if they don't,
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[size=9]that Dawg comment was my somewhat lackluster attempt to put humour in a bad situation.[/size]
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