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Glenncarp

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2014 RoadGilde...or lack thereof
« on: June 07, 2013, 11:51:39 AM »

I was in Michigan this past weekend for a graduation. The wife and I stopped at a few area dealers to shop and kill time before our flight. I was eyeballing a '13 SERG and the salesman asked if I was interested in buying it. I explained I had the '11 SERGU. I asked him why no '14 RG's and he told me a friend of his works in KC at a test center fro HD (Not sure if there is one, but he says so) He siad his buddy told him the testing area for the '15 RG is off limiy=ts to anyone not working on the project, he said his buddy states the sound of the motor is not typical HD and sounds like it is water cooled. The HD salesman said he had heard the same, but HD was not sure if the engine would be a water cooled 103 or a modified Street Rod power plant.

Still can't figure why they need to stop the production of the model for '14
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Re: 2014 RoadGilde...or lack thereof
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2013, 12:41:39 PM »

I was in Michigan this past weekend for a graduation. The wife and I stopped at a few area dealers to shop and kill time before our flight. I was eyeballing a '13 SERG and the salesman asked if I was interested in buying it. I explained I had the '11 SERGU. I asked him why no '14 RG's and he told me a friend of his works in KC at a test center fro HD (Not sure if there is one, but he says so) He siad his buddy told him the testing area for the '15 RG is off limiy=ts to anyone not working on the project, he said his buddy states the sound of the motor is not typical HD and sounds like it is water cooled. The HD salesman said he had heard the same, but HD was not sure if the engine would be a water cooled 103 or a modified Street Rod power plant.

Still can't figure why they need to stop the production of the model for '14

Unless you're hearing loud pumps running or a fire truck aiming its hose I have no idea what a water cooled V-twin engine would sound like.  Perhaps it's pumps cause extreme cavitation and it makes farting noises when the bubbles release themselves?  From the Pan and the Knuckle to the Evo and the Twin Cam and on to V-Fart....
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Re: 2014 RoadGilde...or lack thereof
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2013, 12:46:27 PM »

Ahha, but can you honestly tell me you can not tell a Road Star from a Road Glide when you can't see either? I sure can. Road Star is water cooled, Road Glide is not!
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Re: 2014 RoadGilde...or lack thereof
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2013, 01:09:38 PM »

Ahha, but can you honestly tell me you can not tell a Road Star from a Road Glide when you can't see either? I sure can. Road Star is water cooled, Road Glide is not!

I hear exhaust notes and other sounds of different machines.  This includes the different pitches and notes of the various sizes and pitches of cooling fans on different automobiles.  I don't hear the cooling system on a Road Star though, because it doesn't have one.  The Royal Stars are wet bikes though.  With their odd little cooling boxes up front there is a sound.  But not one I'd hear above the expected exhaust note of a Harley.  The engines and their induction systems sound entirely different; that's true.  But that's exhaust and other mechanicals.  I don't really "hear" the cooling system.  Especially from whatever barriers from a distance outside a secure testing area such sounds might have been heard from.

Goldwing might be a better comparison.  With their quiet exhaust I can, if I listen closely, hear the whir of its water pump as a distinct sound.  I've got to be close and the engine has to be wound down.  It's fans make a distinct sound also.  But, again, not one I can hear with even Goldwing exhaust if the engine is wrapped up much.

In fact I might hear the lack of enough other noises that denote an air cooled engine that I might assume water cooling.  But I've never "heard" the water cooling on a street cruiser or tourer from any distance or over any other pretty normal ambient noises.  So, unless this prospective 2015 test mule Road Glide has cooling fans that could be heard behind whatever barriers made up its secure area that were then relayed anecdotally to the salesman I'm still wondering what the sound was of the water cooled Road Glide.
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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2013, 01:13:25 PM »

With all that being said (and read) I can still tell the difference between a Harley and a non-Harley without seeing them!  :D
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Re: 2014 RoadGilde...or lack thereof
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2013, 01:14:46 PM »

Its a different friggin motor completely is why it sounds different... :wall:
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Re: 2014 RoadGilde...or lack thereof
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2013, 01:16:37 PM »

Yep, water cooled Vs non-water cooled  :stars: :stars:
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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2013, 01:18:59 PM »

Soooo, the original point to my post is that the 2015 engine sounded to the HD guy like it is going to be water cooled, he surmised that because it SOUNDS different than the air cooled one, a totally figging different engine!!!
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Re: 2014 RoadGilde...or lack thereof
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2013, 01:21:15 PM »

48 degrees versus 45.....jussayinzall... :P
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Re: 2014 RoadGilde...or lack thereof
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2013, 01:21:59 PM »

Its a different friggin motor completely is why it sounds different... :wall:

Yeah, duh....  :huepfenlol2:


Seriously though Mike, jet turbine water pumps are a real tell tale....   ::)
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« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2013, 01:24:41 PM »

My water buffalo still sounded like a sewing machine, couldn't hear the water pump...or it was so ugly your ears quit working.. ::)
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« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2013, 01:27:28 PM »

Soooo, the original point to my post is that the 2015 engine sounded to the HD guy like it is going to be water cooled, he surmised that because it SOUNDS different than the air cooled one, a totally figging different engine!!!


Unless it's not.  Maybe just a standard Twin Cam with water cooled heads and radiators in the lowers.  That's been one of the more common suggestions for the first wet non-Revolution Twin Cam.  One thing I know for sure is I have no idea what was there.  One thing I doubt is anyone "heard" the cooling system from a distance beyond a secure barrier.  One thing I always trust is my humor with the words of dealership salesmen passing on "rumors" from (always unnamed) sources inside Harley.
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« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2013, 01:39:06 PM »


Unless it's not.  Maybe just a standard Twin Cam with water cooled heads and radiators in the lowers.  That's been one of the more common suggestions for the first wet non-Revolution Twin Cam.  One thing I know for sure is I have no idea what was there.  One thing I doubt is anyone "heard" the cooling system from a distance beyond a secure barrier.  One thing I always trust is my humor with the words of dealership salesmen passing on "rumors" from (always unnamed) sources inside Harley.

That is what I am fully expecting to see based on the tidbits I've heard and the detailed drawings and patent applications that were posted a couple of years ago now.

"... so ugly your ears quit working."  Now that's some funny chit, Mike! :D
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« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2013, 01:41:05 PM »

 :nervous:


Hey, they had water cooled head back in the 40's...knucklehead...didn't catch on then either...If they do, it will be a rolling abortion for sure, for chrise sake they just got to where the oil stays in..........mostly.   :huepfenlol2:
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« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2013, 02:09:11 PM »

:nervous:


Hey, they had water cooled head back in the 40's...knucklehead...didn't catch on then either...If they do, it will be a rolling abortion for sure, for chrise sake they just got to where the oil stays in..........mostly.   :huepfenlol2:

OMG Mike, we totally missed the name of the new engine.  Milkshake!  From when the oil and water leaks happen internally :huepfenlol2: .
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