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Traxxion Dynamics AK-20 Installation
« on: June 19, 2013, 04:02:26 PM »

I think I am about to bite the bullet and purchase a set of AK-20's.  I can't find anyone to help me and I really don't trust the HD dealers to really care about their work.

My question is how hard is it to do this?  I bought lift several years ago and have been doing the basic maintenance on my bike.  I am willing to purchase the needed tools but I just don't want to bite off more then I can handle.  If I knew what I was doing, how long of job should it be?

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Re: Traxxion Dynamics AK-20 Installation
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2013, 05:47:55 PM »

I took my forks off and sent them directly to Dan at Traxxion.  Others ride in for service.  You can't do the AK install yourself as something has to be machined to put them in your forks (they don't just drop in).

If you don't want to lose any riding time, send them to Traxxion between Thanksgiving and Christmas as that is their slow time.  You would have to call Dan to see what their current turn around time is.

Hd-Dude and a couple other locations around the country also do the install. 

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Re: Traxxion Dynamics AK-20 Installation
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2013, 11:12:43 AM »

I sent my forks to Dan @ Traxxion as well.  I have had them serviced twice now, they recommend service every 20,000 miles.  I now have 64,000 on my SERK and have the Bitubo's as well.  On my SERK I went from the 12" to the 13" shocks which brought me from a dismal 1.9" of rear wheel travel to close to 4.5" now with only a 5/8 increase in seat height.  I also asked Traxxion for a 1" longer fork set up for the AK 20's for the increase in travel.  I'm not going to argue about who has the best aftermarket suspension but the whole set up was my best investment to date.  I also added the Baker + 1 oil pan to accept the True Track kit, your 09 would not need this.  Changing to Metzlers this spring lets me corner even better.  I don't live that far from you so if you need additional info PM me for a Tel #.  I don't know of anyone who regretted the investment in Traxxion products.  There are a few shops that were trained by Traxxion to do their installs in our area but I felt more comfortable sending them out.  Once you have your optimum air pressure and your rear shock dialed in for solo riding and one for two up riding you will be amassed at the stability you will have in each condition.  I know it gave me the confidence to flick this beast around quite easily.  I ground up my first set of floor boards and support arms even with raising the bike.  That was expensive and unnecessary as a little body English solved the amount of scraping which is not a cool thing or a safe way to get around to begin with.  Good luck on your install,  don't know if you have a bad back or not but in my case it was make it better or park it.       
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Re: Traxxion Dynamics AK-20 Installation
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2013, 11:26:27 AM »

Nice write up Ray..

I sent mine back at around 25,000 miles and Dan said for me, not to send them back until I had 40,000 miles on mine next time.   He said they were the same as new.
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Re: Traxxion Dynamics AK-20 Installation
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2013, 11:28:17 AM »

I got my AK-20s installed at Traxxion last year in May. I am lucky though - Traxxion is right here in Woodstock, GA - only 45 minutes from our house. It only took Traxxion less than 4 hours to install them on the Honey Badger, and they gave me a complete tour of their facility while the install was in process.

I agree that if you can't find an installer near you, send your forks to Traxxion and let them install the cartridge innards. The AK-20s replace the everything internal in the forks. I got a big bag containing all of the all stock parts they had taken out to take home... it's still sitting in a drawer in the garage.

They even had my name on their LED monitor that day to welcome me there. Great company with an amazing product.. well worth the money, I think!

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Re: Traxxion Dynamics AK-20 Installation
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2013, 01:19:31 PM »

Charles....what Traxxion does is "clean up" the inside of the fork tubes so there is no debris, burrs, etc inside the fork tubes.  I have had three bikes done at their facility since '07 and cannot speak highly enough about the company with regards to the product, their professionalism, and their technical proficiency.  They take extremely good care of your bike or components.

It would be my suggestion, as other's have mentioned, that if you cannot take a road trip to Atlanta, and you are obviously mechanically proficient enough to remove the forks yourself, to pull them, package them up carefully, and ship them to Traxxion.  Dan is the man to talk to with regards to the best time to do this, anticipated turn around time, etc.  Often, this time of year, they are busy, but it may still be possible to get a reasonably fast turnaround, which for me would mean two to three days in their shop, plus shipping times both directions.  The actual installation of the cartridges is done on stainless steel tables which are kept relatively spotless.  They will need a bit of information about what bike, your weight, if you ride two up or solo most of the time, and HOW you ride.  That will help them determine the spring to install.  They are VERY precise in how they put things back together.  The cartridges are CNC'd totally in house...the only materials they use from outside vendors is the raw stock to make their product.  When the springs are re-installed, they use a plastic tube around the spring so that the flexing of the spring never again contacts the fork tubes, which causes contamination of the oil with debris...so that is eliminated.  The only other wear items are the bushings and the seals.  HD bushings are used, and they wear a bit over time, and that contaminates the oil.  However, the last time I was over (in '12), I had a long conversation with Max, the owner/president of the company (great guy), and he told me that they have now put enough of their cartridges on both HD's and Wings, and done enough servicing of each after the 20-25k mileage mark to get a feel for wear of the components.  They find virtually no wear.  Thus the reason Bob (Boatman) was told to wait a longer interval.  They also use a very high quality synthetic fork oil, so that does not break down as quickly over time either.

Now once you have them installed, you can do the routine maintenance, like changing the fork oil, with their servicing kit.  It is highly unlikely that the cartridge components themselves will show any appreciable wear for many, many thousands of miles.  They have been putting their products in 'Wings for MANY years now, with many miles on some of them, and their product wear characteristics are more than outstanding.  Their product is not inexpensive, but once you see and understand the work that goes into making it, you understand better about the expense.  Max makes a real effort to keep his employees and technicians with him, and they are top notch and long term...you have to be doing something right to keep employees of that caliber with you over time.  The difference in your bike will literally be night and day.
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Re: Traxxion Dynamics AK-20 Installation
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2013, 02:01:19 PM »

Thanks everyone for your replies.  It sounds like I will be yanking the forks and sending them in.  Every post that I have read about the AK-20 has had nothing but praise about them and I am looking forward to getting rid of the nose dive.

Once again, thanks everyone.

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Re: Traxxion Dynamics AK-20 Installation
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2013, 03:00:08 PM »

I believe you will find more info on the AK-20 systems on Goldwing sites/forums.  Their is not a lot of aftermarket performance parts for the Wings but the Traxxion set up with the fork brace etc. is the hot item for Wingers.  Some may remember the you tube video of Yellow Wolf on the Dragon.  I believe the bike was stock (Big yellow Wing) with the exception of a different brand of tires and the Traxxion set up.  That is one impressive clip to watch.   
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Re: Traxxion Dynamics AK-20 Installation
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2013, 12:29:13 PM »

I am thinking about buying a set of the AK-20's.  On a previous bike I have had the progressive front end and it was pretty nice.  What I would like to know is there anyone out here that can tell me are the AK-20's $600 more worth it?  Does it ride that much better than the progressives?

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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2013, 12:57:55 PM »

I can't answer that one for you.  It's possible that you may be satisfied with using the other brand.  I guess it all depends on how you feel the front end performs for you right now.  In my case the ride with the stock suspension (front & rear) was unbearable to my neck & spine.  I would hit a pot hole and the jolt would usually be more than I could handle and in some cases ended my riding for the day.  I just couldn't take the chance on trying the other brand, at the time the Traxxion kit was highly recommended so I went that route.  If you don't ride to aggressively in the twisties it may not be a big deal.  If you like to push it you may not want to cut any corners so to speak.  When my bike was new & prior to the Traxxion kit installed I had an old time Harley rider take it out for a ride, his comment was they are making them prettier but the ride is still a total embarrassment for the amount of money you paid.  He was right.  I may be wrong but I found Traxxion products discussed more on this forum that a few of the others that use other after market set ups.  You may want to check other forums before you spend your money.  I'm not one to spend extra money on chrome and such but the ride just had to be improved to fully enjoy the bike. 
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Re: Traxxion Dynamics AK-20 Installation
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2013, 01:50:09 PM »

I am thinking about buying a set of the AK-20's.  On a previous bike I have had the progressive front end and it was pretty nice.  What I would like to know is there anyone out here that can tell me are the AK-20's $600 more worth it?  Does it ride that much better than the progressives?

Thanks

There are a few members here who have both, or have had both (Traxxion vs Progressive Monotubes vs HD's version of cartridges).  I'm not answering for those people, but from the reading I've done, with stock being 1 and Traxxion being 10, the "new" HD cartridges are maybe a 4-5, the Monotubes are maybe 6-7.  It's pretty subjective unless you have two of the same bikes with different set ups and can ride them on the same road back to back.  I recently sold my bike, but can say with certainty that for ME and how I like to ride in the twisties, I went with what I knew to be the best on all three previous bikes.  One member here went with the HD cartridge because he had some "dealer credit" type thing when he purchased his bike last year.  He then put the Bitubo shocks on the bike.  From the last time I spoke with him, he is going to put the Traxxion front end on the bike, as he feels that the rear end performance is much better than the front end. He has also had the Bitubo/Traxxion combination on a previous bike, so has some basis for comparison.  I don't think anyone who has had the Traxxion would say that it's not THE best.

There are also a couple of other things to consider when comparing the Progressive Monotubes to the Traxxion AK-20's:  The Monotubes are Gas Charged.  They have a lifetime warranty on the part, BUT you still have to provide the labor if one of the cartridges goes bad, which is going to be $200-$300 if you pay someone to do it.  If you do your own work then that's a mute point, UNLESS a cartridge goes bad at a bad time, like on a road trip. That is not likely to happen, but it is a possibility. The AK-20's are not gas charged (Traxxion does make a gas charged cartridge, but it is mostly used for racing applications), so there are no worries about a failure.  Traxxion is 100% USA made by people you can call and talk to who actually build/design the stuff, and if I have a choice, I'd rather do business with a place like that.

Is it worth the difference?  For ME it is, but I'm more of a handling/braking guy than I am a guy who puts cams in the motor or other mods to gain HP/TQ.  I do change the exhaust and get a tuner, just to get what I can get out of the stock motor.  So I care more about going fast through curves than I do about power in a straight line.  So while I may lose a drag race or roll on race for fun, I'm pretty sure I could hold my own, at least, with almost anyone on a HD through the curves/twisties.  I enjoy the feel of a bike that is predictable, holds a line, and can be ridden hard through a big sweeper without the suspension giving me some unwanted surprise.  I think most members here who have ridden with me in the NC/TN area would say that if nothing else, I'm smooth and easy to follow.  I'm sorta picky about who I ride with, and particularly about who is in front of me or behind me.

There are several older members of this site who will chime in on the comparison, I'm sure. Different perspectives are always a good thing...
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Re: Traxxion Dynamics AK-20 Installation
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2013, 02:21:46 PM »

Thanks for the input.  I am not a guy who loads his bike up with all kinds of crap for show.  The only parts i put on my bike are parts that will help me be comfy on my long distance rides.  My bike is also my daily driver and main source of transportation.  So bars, gps, great seat, luggage storage, great radio and great suspension is what I am after.  I do ride my bike aggressive especially in the curves, so maybe i should just "Fork" out the money and try something new.  I think i may stop in their shop in Georgia on my way to the smokey mtns or biketoberfest in Daytona.

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Re: Traxxion Dynamics AK-20 Installation
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2013, 02:35:11 PM »


There are a few members here who have both, or have had both (Traxxion vs Progressive Monotubes vs HD's version of cartridges). 



I had that comparison to make regularly for a few years.  TD in the Electra Glide and Monotubes in the Road Glide.

Stock sucks.  You don't know how badly until you've done something else.

The monotubes are very good.

The TD kit is a little better than that.

It's a noticeable difference.  Not a huge difference but a noticeable one.  When setting up the next bike I stayed with the monotubes.  The TD kit is better.  But I didn't think enough better to justify the price difference and greater down time.
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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2013, 05:07:19 PM »


I had that comparison to make regularly for a few years.  TD in the Electra Glide and Monotubes in the Road Glide.

Stock sucks.  You don't know how badly until you've done something else.

The monotubes are very good.

The TD kit is a little better than that.

It's a noticeable difference.  Not a huge difference but a noticeable one.  When setting up the next bike I stayed with the monotubes.  The TD kit is better.  But I didn't think enough better to justify the price difference and greater down time.
Twolane Rider...That being said if TD was only $100 more than monotubes would you still stick with monotubes or get the TD for that little bit of noticeable difference.
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Re: Traxxion Dynamics AK-20 Installation
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2013, 08:16:26 PM »

Twolane Rider...That being said if TD was only $100 more than monotubes would you still stick with monotubes or get the TD for that little bit of noticeable difference.

But it's not....

Roughly $1300 including installation according to TD's current website (and we can't self-install) versus about $250 and you can self-install.  Plus you have to travel to TD or have the down time of shipping them your forks.  That assumes you're not paying someone to remove your forks for you before they're sent off.

If you're asking if the difference in performance could be quantified as being worth a hundred bucks; yeah, sure; I'd pay a hundred bucks more for TD versus the Monotubes.  But it's a distinction that is not an option since the factor isn't real.
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