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[Beak Boater]

If the used 2010 SE Street Glide I bought has had the cams changed without physically opening up the bike and looking? Bought from a Harley Dealer, they don't know. Wont give me previous owners information to contact and ask him. Bike as aftermarket head pipe with no Cat, a SESPT, Rinehart 4 inch slip on's. Sounds different than my 2010 SEUC that has Rinehart True duals and a tuner, but that could be just exhaust.
Those that listen to it are undecided if it does or doesn't. The 100 lbs weight difference between the two must make a big difference, that SE Street Glide seems very quick to me compared to the SEUC. Every time I twist the throttle I cannot get the smile off my face.

[red ben59]

I'm no wrench by any means. But without looking I don't know how you would know for sure. A bad or good tune could give you a 'LOPE" sound wise. 

[BaggerProud]

Seems like the dealer is being a chit. Or maybe they are trying to hide something from you?  Maybe there is something more that they're aware of that wasn't told to you at the time of the sale that, if you had known, would have made you not want the bike. Just sayin'.  Have you got any LE friends that would run the VIN off the radar to get the previous owner info?

[erniezap]

Look at the pushrod tubes.  If the cams were changed, most likely will have adjustable pushrods so the chrome tubes would be different

[grc]

I can fully understand not handing out private information of the previous owner, but there is no excuse for those lazy SOB's to not contact that previous owner themselves and ask him for the vehicle history.  I don't know who you talked to, but if it's just a lazy salesman, or worse yet some clueless soul from service, try someone in actual management and suggest they ask the previous owner for the information and then they can relay it to you.

You will want to know about things like cams, pistons, head work, etc., plus any tuning that has been done.  Pulling the cam chest cover to look things over isn't that big a deal, but it won't tell you everything you might want to know.

Jerry

[GaLonghair]

For what it's worth, a dealer often does not know a bike's true Hx for many reasons! The former owner often does not want mother Harley to know all that he has done that would void warrenty, etc. And I would bet mother Harley has a rule forbidding divulging former owners name without his permission (lawyers and privacy rights you know). This is why it is a good idea to get to know your service tech at a dealership if you use one, as they will help you out in these instances (off the record of coarse). Good luck getting the Hx on your bike. If it is a local owned and traded bike the best bet is to find the tech that did the work!

[JustDennis]

If the used 2010 SE Street Glide I bought has had the cams changed without physically opening up the bike and looking? Bought from a Harley Dealer, they don't know. Wont give me previous owners information to contact and ask him. Bike as aftermarket head pipe with no Cat, a SESPT, Rinehart 4 inch slip on's. Sounds different than my 2010 SEUC that has Rinehart True duals and a tuner, but that could be just exhaust.
Those that listen to it are undecided if it does or doesn't. The 100 lbs weight difference between the two must make a big difference, that SE Street Glide seems very quick to me compared to the SEUC. Every time I twist the throttle I cannot get the smile off my face.

I agree with the others.  Not really a good way to tell other than opening it up unless you can get the dealer to find out.  If the pushrods have been changed you still wouldn't know what was in there.  I love the 2010 SESG I got a couple of months ago and as you said "cannot get the smile off my face" either.  What color did you get?

[Beak Boater]

 Thanks for the responses, I really didn't think their was a way to tell, but I thought I would ask. I talked to the Tech that went over the bike at the dealer, and he couldn't tell me. When he said he thought it had a tuner, I told him pretty sure that it did since the cat had been removed. I said what tuner does it have? He didn't know. After I told them I had to know what tuner it had, he rolled it to the service area and  plugged it in and I was told it had a Harley Tuner. I picked the bike up last Fri. Had a message on my phone on Sat. and Mon. telling me my bike was ready and to come pick it up. Not sure where the break down in communication was, but it doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling about their service dept. Not that I would use them anyway.
Love the bike seems to run well, not bashing the dealer, but it seems a quick phone call to the previous owner would have answered a lot of questions about it.
Oh.....its Candy Cobalt Blue

[dayne66]

If it had a tuner...would it not come with the bike?  Otherwise, there is no way to do any tune mods / adjustments in the future.

[Fired00d]

If it had a tuner...would it not come with the bike?  Otherwise, there is no way to do any tune mods / adjustments in the future.

Depending on what tuner was installed... if it (tuner) requires a "dongle"' the original owner may/may not have returned that to selling dealer.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[redbeard719]

If it had a tuner...would it not come with the bike?  Otherwise, there is no way to do any tune mods / adjustments in the future.

No doubt, especially a Harley tuner.  They're not piggy back modules, but rather an actual interface device that connects to the bike, only when tuning. 

Makes me disappointed to hear that the service/sales teams aren't being very upfront about things.  I would press management to contact the previous owner, just for piece of mind. 

Another halfway decent measure of cams is to have the bike run on a dyno.  Not necessarily a full tune, but many dyno shops will do something like 3 pulls on the dynomometer just to see the baseline numbers.  If your TQ/HP numbers are off the charts, something has been done.  Still doesn't tell you exactly what, but it would give you an idea of what you're working with.

[Beak Boater]

Sorry left that part out.....once I was told what tuner it was, I asked were the VCI Module was. Need it if I ever want to change the tune. Tech said it wasn't with the bike when it was traded. I bought it understanding that if I need to change, or loose the MAP, I have to buy a new tuner.

[phato1]

If they were the original selling dealer to the prior owner and performed the work for him you could as for a REDACTED copy of the bikes service history - that would help determine what was done and when.

I emphasized REDACTED because after I traded my '06 Ultra in the gentleman interested in purchasing the bike asked to see the service records - which they had - unfortunately the person who gave him a copy of the records DID NOT obscure my info - which included name and phone number - and the guy called me. I didn't mind talking to him when he was considering the purchase and had some questions, but I did politely tell the general manager at the dealer that what occurred was NOT acceptable(to me at least).

[krypto2011]

I have this same dilemma kinda..... I bought my bike from the original owner. I have stacks of slips from a dealer that will remain nameless, that is in Baltimore MD. He told me if you have any questions to call the service manager and tell him I told you to call and he can tell you everything they did. I am not happy with the cam set up so I call this clown at this nameless dealer in Baltimore MD at least 5 times and leave messages for him. I need to know what CR ratio he set this thing up for so I can select the next cam it's gonna get. Well three weeks go by and he never calls back. I finally try again and he is actually able to take my call. I tell him that it would be cool if he at least returned his messages and he says he never got em!! Whatever.... So I tell him what I need and he looks for a few minutes on his computer and says they didn't document it but he is gonna get with the tech and go through his shop work orders to get the info. He gives me his direct extension so I can leave him a direct voicemail instead of leaving a message with some jamoke who won't give it to him. I wait 3 days and no call back. So I start calling and leaving messages every other day for a week. That was first week of June, still no call back!!! What a way to do biz!!! Long story short, don't assume even if the dealer or the previous owner is able to be located, they will have the info you need. Instead of getting anything helpful I got the run around from this dealer and now I get to spend some more money to find my CR before I can even choose a cam!!!!  Sorry to vent but this thread set me off!!!

[CVO2FIXUP]

 You know what you can try, most dino shoppes will run your bike for a test hp and trq numbers for very little $$. Usually the dino dude can tell what's what.  Worth a try any way's.