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some running issues on my 01 serg.
« on: August 12, 2013, 05:25:47 AM »

Just got my road glide on the road and noticed a few things.  Throttle response is horrible.  It has a pc 3 on it.  It has been sitting so I put a bottle of step injector cleaner and new supreme gas in as well.

The bike also has a se open air breather and vance and hines pro pipe.  I'm not sure what is inside the motor but the sound of the motor is unlike any harley I have ever heard.  Sorta has a prominent chug to 2500 then just pulls your arms off compared to my father in laws eg that has a smooth power band and sound all the way throughout the rpm range.  After a hard run on the throttle the misses for a few minutes. 

Any clues to help me get it running correctly would be appreciated.
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Re: some running issues on my 01 serg.
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2013, 05:27:03 AM »

Forgot,

My right signal light is not working nor is my cruise control.
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Re: some running issues on my 01 serg.
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2013, 09:40:53 AM »

As part of a diagnosis option, try removing the Power Commander and see if the bike runs better.
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2013, 12:06:02 PM »

It won't hurt the bike if I do that?  where it has a bunch of stuff done to the motor?
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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2013, 07:10:42 AM »

anyone?  will unplugging the PC damage anything?
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Re: some running issues on my 01 serg.
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2013, 08:09:03 AM »

anyone?  will unplugging the PC damage anything?

In and of itself removing the Power Commander won't damage anything.  Unless the engine build is extreme you'll also not noticing it running badly either.  Not as efficiently, powerfully or as smoothly as if it had a good tune on board.  But not bad and it won't hurt anything.
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Re: some running issues on my 01 serg.
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2013, 08:21:02 AM »

When you remove the PC you are returning the bike back to its stock configuration.
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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2013, 05:09:50 AM »

I don't think the motor is extreme by any means.  I'm not sure what's inside if anything.  Now,  I don't see where the pc is plugged in.  Had the side cover off and the wire goes into the main harness with the big rubber cover.  Does this just pull unplugged?  Sorry for the questions guys.  My first harley and maintenance on it is way different than my Japanese bikes.
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Re: some running issues on my 01 serg.
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2013, 08:41:29 AM »

I don't think the motor is extreme by any means.  I'm not sure what's inside if anything.  Now,  I don't see where the pc is plugged in.  Had the side cover off and the wire goes into the main harness with the big rubber cover.  Does this just pull unplugged?  Sorry for the questions guys.  My first harley and maintenance on it is way different than my Japanese bikes.

On an 01 the installation of a Power Commander as per its own instructions would have the unit itself across the bike under the left side cover.  It's harness would go across the bike in front of the battery.  At the ECM itself would be a T harness that plugs in to the ECM while the factory connector plugs in to it.

Find that T harness, unplug the bike's ECM connector from it, unplug it from the ECM then plug the bike's ECM connector back in to the ECM.
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Re: some running issues on my 01 serg.
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2013, 08:48:43 AM »

Pull and clean your speed sensor. This may fix the cruise control problem.
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Re: some running issues on my 01 serg.
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2013, 08:50:03 AM »

Pull and clean your speed sensor. This may fix the cruise control problem.

Perhaps, but speedo sensor will effect speedometer, cruise control and odometer simultaneously.  So unless those other systems are also acting up not likely it's the problem.
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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2013, 12:14:56 PM »

Ok,  one issue solved.  got the PCIII outta there,  its like a new bike.  I was scared that I would have to spend boat loads of money trying to get this fixed up.  I thought I bought a basketcase.  now,  with the PC out of there and new plugs.  WOW!  smooth and linear power,  no backfires and chitty throttle response.

next up is the electronic gremlins and some fluid changes.
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Re: some running issues on my 01 serg.
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2013, 12:38:08 PM »

Ok,  one issue solved.  got the PCIII outta there,  its like a new bike.  I was scared that I would have to spend boat loads of money trying to get this fixed up.  I thought I bought a basketcase.  now,  with the PC out of there and new plugs.  WOW!  smooth and linear power,  no backfires and chitty throttle response.

next up is the electronic gremlins and some fluid changes.

Given its age don't discount a set of plug wires also.  What other gremlins?
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« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2013, 01:31:57 PM »

I was thinking about that.

electrical gremlins are the right signal light not working,  and the cruise control.  plus tidy up the hack job done under the seat to get some lights on the back wired in.

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Re: some running issues on my 01 serg.
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2013, 02:35:33 PM »

I was thinking about that.

electrical gremlins are the right signal light not working,  and the cruise control.  plus tidy up the hack job done under the seat to get some lights on the back wired in.



If the lights aren't working correct that before messing with the cruise control.  Brake light is an interlock for the cruise function.  Rear lights have to be working.  If the wiring to the lights is a hack job make it all correct and functioning before going after anything else.  Otherwise might just be a puppy chasing its tail.

If lights are all good and still no cruise the next easiest thing to do and check for is to crack the right switch housing and spray some electrical contact cleaner in the switches then gently blow them out.  They will sometimes crud up over time and stop working. 

Assuming no other wiring issues elsewhere those two things are the only free and easy fixes to attempt for the cruise control.  For anything else you'll be buying parts.  The switches aren't expensive but are a pain to change.  The stepper cable from the cruise module to the throttle body is both inexpensive and easy to change.  The module itself is easy to change but expensive.  So you'll be picking your poison. 

In the electrical/diagnostics manual there is a checklist to diagnose the cruise control.  Personally I've found it to be hit and miss in effectiveness on the Marelli bikes though.  The cable can be checked physically and obviously.  The switches you can manually check with an ohm meter once you've found the plugs.  So you can isolate the pieces from each other doing manual checks if you're willing.
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