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[Nutdriverss]

I see in the new SE catalog they now offer a 1.5 quart over size oil pan for the touring bikes.  I was wondering if it's difficult to install?  I couldn't find the installation instructions on line.  It lists for $599, not too bad if it makes a noticeable difference in oil temps.

[Twolanerider]

I see in the new SE catalog they now offer a 1.5 quart over size oil pan for the touring bikes.  I was wondering if it's difficult to install?  I couldn't find the installation instructions on line.  It lists for $599, not too bad if it makes a noticeable difference in oil temps.

Oil pans are a serious chore to install.  The whole ass end of the bike below the fender has to come off.  And while it may take the system a little longer to get fully heat soaked on a hot day of any riding length full operating temperature will still be full operating temperature.

Harley saw Baker selling something and thought they could make a little extra coin.  As much as they fight heat in these engines and add oil coolers and now water cooling if something as simple as a larger oil pan would really have made a credible difference we'd have seen them on the bikes already.

[Thermodyne]

Save your money, and time.  If you're looking for some heat protection, put some fans on the oil cooler.  Actually you could force cool the oil cooler and the heads for a heck of a lot less than the price of that pan.  And since the oil cooler has a tstat built in, it would just bypass the cooler till the additional oil was well warmed up anyways.

[North Georgia Hawg]

It's a ripoff with no FACTS to support its claims and $599 price. OEMed from Baker, it looks like...

Ken

[grc]

There is absolutely NO DATA to support any claims of significant oil temperature reduction.  If there was such a significant difference, it would be very simple for Baker or H-D to provide documented and verifiable test results to prove the claims.  Try to find any such documentation.

Btw, what makes you think reducing your oil temps is necessary or even desirable?  The oil is supposed to run at a high enough temperature to drive off fuel and water contamination, and the normal operating temps are part of the equation when determining the proper viscosity and rating for an engine design.  Way too much BS is floating around concerning high oil temps.  It kind of reminds me of all the BS back in the day about water temps in auto engines as the auto makers increased the thermostat settings and started running the engines hotter on purpose.  All the shadetree geniuses threw away the 200° thermostats and substituted 160 to 180° parts, or better yet just removed the thermostats altogether, which actually screwed up the engines.

Jerry

[HD Street Performance]

I agree with you completely.
Oxidation doubles for every 18° rise in temperature above 165°F.
Oxidation is the prime element of oil breakdown. We use very high quality oils in these motors, for the most part, (CJ-4 API or better) and temperatures of 250°-275° are not going to affect engine life as long as normal oil change intervals are observed. Assumptions are proper tune, no contamination, no parts failures, and proper air filtration.
If someone wanted definitive data they can always have their oil lab tested. Stavely and Blackstone provide that service as do most Caterpillar dealers.

[napalm]

Page 464 in the 2014 HD Parts & Accessory Catalog lists a High Capacity Oil Pan - Keep your Engine running cooler....what is everyone's thoughts on this new part?  P/N 24400099 $599.95    Increases oil capacity by 1.5 quarts     

napalm

[grc]

Page 464 in the 2014 HD Parts & Accessory Catalog lists a High Capacity Oil Pan - Keep your Engine running cooler....what is everyone's thoughts on this new part?  P/N 24400099 $599.95    Increases oil capacity by 1.5 quarts     

napalm

See the posts prior to yours in this thread.  Unless you just want to throw $600 away, I'd suggest you forget this oil pan.  If you really want to control your oil temps better, get a good ten row cooler with a fan.  Jagg sells one, there may be others as well.

Jerry

[North Georgia Hawg]

Marketing...

Ken

[DCFIREMANN]

Oil pans are a serious chore to install.  The whole ass end of the bike below the fender has to come off.  And while it may take the system a little longer to get fully heat soaked on a hot day of any riding length full operating temperature will still be full operating temperature.

Harley saw Baker selling something and thought they could make a little extra coin.  As much as they fight heat in these engines and add oil coolers and now water cooling if something as simple as a larger oil pan would really have made a credible difference we'd have seen them on the bikes already.

Don on the early (pre 2009) touring frames the rear tire has to be removed to remove the oil pan. On the new frames I was looking, at Saphire the other on day the lift and it looks like just the left side of the exhaust and cross member needs to be removed. I have not tried to remove one as of yet, but it looks a lot easier that the early frames.

No I am considering the new pan!!!! Unless they will powder coat it SAPHIRE!!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[prodrag1320]

your better off with a good cooler,600.00 is way too high for a oil pan

[TorqueInc]

  Oil is just as much a coolant as it is a lubricant.

You spend upwards of a couple grand to replace the air cleaner,exhaust system and install a cam to increase power,reduce operating temp as well as if done right increase mileage over stock.

  The next step ?  Might just be the only cooling system a Harley had(until the recent steamin beagle upgrade  ) other than air.

I am not sure that between 1/2 and 1.5 quarts of oil added to a Harley by itself reguardless of the oil pan design is a good thing without adding increased cooling capability in an oil cooler.

  What I don't see as anything but a good thing is 1/2 to 1.5 quarts of cooler oil circulating thru a big twin engine.

 Jagg/Setrab makes some of the best oil coolers out there,more surface area etc etc....the stock oil cooler on the touring bikes has about 3-4 ounces of oil...a 6 row Jagg has 6-8 ounces and a ten row has a tick over 10 ounces and they

work very well.

   Money aside I think that the combination of a larger capacity pan and a better oil cooler is a great upgrade.

[HD Street Performance]

your better off with a good cooler,600.00 is way too high for a oil pan

+1
More oil without added BTU elimination, heat exchanger capacity, just takes longer to get just as hot. It is possible the + oil pans have better heat rejection capacity.
The motor build and tune have a lot to do with the heat generated to begin with.

[Rooster]

I was thinking the newer Jagg is a 10 row cooler and made with more passages and you can get it with a fan now.

[WestCoastRuss]

I was thinking the newer Jagg is a 10 row cooler and made with more passages and you can get it with a fan now.