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Close call...
« on: August 30, 2013, 11:48:02 AM »

I would say that this was the closest call I think I have ever had.  I had just entered S curve and a small bus had pulled out of an intersection after the jerk did one of those rolling stops and then realized I was there and stopped right in my lane.  I had a split second to make a move and honestly I don't recall thinking at all.  I applied a little to much rear brake and my rear tire started to slide.  I knew since I was right in the middle of the turn I didn't want to hit the front brake.  I honestly thought I was going to lay her down.  When I realized the bastard had stopped right in front I got back on the gas and pulled her back out of the slide and came around the front of the bus.  This happened so fast but I just knew I was going down. 

Man I wish people paid attention to what they are doing!
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Re: Close call...
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2013, 11:53:04 AM »

Good job, not laying her down. People like this just don't understand.
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Re: Close call...
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2013, 12:11:19 PM »

There is no real answer to why, when someone makes a mistake, they usually compound the situation by doing another totally stupid move. Once the lane is blocked, keep going. The rider you are trying to kill might need the room.
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Re: Close call...
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2013, 12:36:53 PM »

HarleyRider2004,

Very glad you're okay.  I'm not trying to preach to anyone but I must disagree with you about the front brake.  Here is my $.02:   We have no chance of teaching "cagers" to drive better.  The government keeps trying to make cars idiot proof because it allows idiots to drive.  Thus we must learn to cope.  If a vehicle pulls out in front of you and is legally 100% at fault, you're the one going to the hospital or worse if you don't cope. 

You absolutely can and should (MUST!) use your front brake at all times, even in a turn.  This is the basic explanation:  A tire can do 100% of what it can do.  That means if x % of your traction is being used for turning, you have 100 - x% traction left for braking.  Use it. 

Here are two very good articles from the Motorcycle Safety Foundation,  Braking Method Determined By Speed   and    Braking In A Curve(Of course you can)

These are both very conservative articles but if you practice, you'll be surprised how much front brake you can use in a turn. 

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Re: Close call...
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2013, 12:41:11 PM »

Greg...I agree...especially with ABS!
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Re: Close call...
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2013, 12:45:45 PM »

Greg...I agree...especially with ABS!

Absolutely with ABS!  I didn't mention it because I think he's riding a 2004 Deuce. 
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Re: Close call...
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2013, 07:13:06 PM »

I honestly didn't have time to think about it. My deuce doesn't have ABS. But I was leaned over pretty good when the dumb A$$ pulled out so that's why I didn't think about grabbing the front brake. Thanks for the tips and glad I am still here.

But people like this take the fun out of riding.
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Re: Close call...
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2013, 07:40:16 PM »

Glad it wasn't more serious than an heart-stopping scare!
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Re: Close call...
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2013, 08:14:09 PM »

I am very glad to read that you got out of this hairy situation SAFELY! You survived without dropping the bike or going to the hospital. Therefore, you did the right thing... or at the very least you did what WORKED to keep you from getting hurt or worse. That is a testament to your abilities as a rider.

Every time I read a post like yours, or a news article about a motorcycle crash, it makes me ride more and more defensively. The roads are just chock FULL of distracted motorists who can take a motorcycle out, and never even know we were there. It's scary as hell out there these days.

There's only so much you can do... but I have reached the point that I will no longer go around a curve without being able to stop safely in the amount of roadway that I can SEE... Even if it means I go around it at 10 MPH, like a grandpa. Oh wait, I AM a grandpa! But I take no chances these days. I guess that's just part of experience and getting older, with increased reaction times as we age.

Here in the Georgia mountains, there are blind curves everywhere, and they are very scary. I must admit I've ridden around MANY at 30 or 40 MPH or more, and if a cow or a car or a bus had been stopped in the middle of the road, or had pulled out, I would have plowed right into them. I don't do that anymore.

I used to ride like a bat out of hell at all times, and I've had my share of sticky situations. Nowadays I only ride fast when I can see for a long way in front, and I know that I can stop if the unexpected occurs... Because it WILL happen eventually to most of us.

I also leave a LOT more room between me and the vehicle in front of me than I used to. Even with ABS, if you are following too closely, it can't save you. Our bikes are so fast, it's easy to let our speed get away from us.

I don't mean sound preachy, and I hope you don't take what I have said that way. I just want everyone to make it home safely at the end of EVERY ride! And I'm VERY GLAD you did!

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Re: Close call...
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2013, 08:37:21 PM »

I also would like to add that down shifting also helps to slow you down
  In emergency situations. I have many times avoided crashing by using both brakes and down shifting . 
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Re: Close call...
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2013, 08:48:59 PM »

Glad you missed the jerk.  Just wasn't your turn to suffer (beyond the scare).  Ride safe.  :) spyder
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Re: Close call...
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2013, 08:59:18 PM »

I did downshift. And guys I appreciate the advice. I have been riding dirt-bikes and motorcycles as long as I could ride a bicycle but we can always learn. I have had deer jump out, cars pull out, hit a wild turkey mid air right in my forks going 50-60 mph but I have never been this close.  I generally use my front brake a lot but in this situation my instincts kicked in and I know I didn't even touch them but I guess I will practice going hard into some turns and hard braking using the front brake. I think my brain was just trying to keep my right hand free so I could give that Fu@!er the finger!  God I wanted to turn around and stop him and beat him to a pulp.

On another note.  It sure has made me feel good coming home and being with my kids and knowing my wife isn't getting the proceeds of all of my life insurance yet!
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Re: Close call...
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2013, 01:02:24 PM »

I have re-played this thing over and over.  This one shook me up a little.  I actually had planned to ride back to my other office that day and decided to just take my Deuce home and park her in the garage.  I will ride...and I love to ride but man when I think about my little ones at home and how quick this whole thing could have been different.  I am just not one of those dramatic people but I wish I had a video of how close this was.  The road I was on is a road I travel all of the time it is a back road from my house to my main office. 

Couple of things this has reminded me of:

1) DON'T ever think the other guy sees you! 
2) Prepare in advance that the other guy isn't going to stop!  (This is something that I did do and I am glad but maybe I could have acted sooner...)
3) Drive defensive ALL of the time!
4) Have a fresh pair of boxers with you at all times!  J/K ::)

Seriously guys I do appreciate your words of wisdom too.  I have been riding for a number of years but I am not to foolish to think that I can not learn.  I was leaning hard in the turn and as I said I didn't think about what I was doing but I would have assumed if I went into a panic braking situation like that with the front brake I would have lost control.  As I said I have been re-playing this in my head over and over.  Hopefully this will make me a better rider...
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Re: Close call...
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2013, 07:32:59 AM »

I'm Glad it worked out !!! I hate hearing story's like this some do not end well.
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Re: Close call...
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2013, 08:37:27 AM »

I have re-played this thing over and over.  This one shook me up a little.  I actually had planned to ride back to my other office that day and decided to just take my Deuce home and park her in the garage.  I will ride...and I love to ride but man when I think about my little ones at home and how quick this whole thing could have been different.  I am just not one of those dramatic people but I wish I had a video of how close this was.  The road I was on is a road I travel all of the time it is a back road from my house to my main office. 

Couple of things this has reminded me of:

1) DON'T ever think the other guy sees you! 
2) Prepare in advance that the other guy isn't going to stop!  (This is something that I did do and I am glad but maybe I could have acted sooner...)
3) Drive defensive ALL of the time!
4) Have a fresh pair of boxers with you at all times!  J/K ::)

Seriously guys I do appreciate your words of wisdom too.  I have been riding for a number of years but I am not to foolish to think that I can not learn.  I was leaning hard in the turn and as I said I didn't think about what I was doing but I would have assumed if I went into a panic braking situation like that with the front brake I would have lost control.  As I said I have been re-playing this in my head over and over.  Hopefully this will make me a better rider...

Again... I'M SO GLAD that you were able to respond quickly and pull out of this! It's good you were on your Deuce... If you had been on a much heavier a touring bike, you may very well have not been able to avoid going down.

Most of us have been in situations similar to the one you experienced. They really make you stop and take stock of things. Some people just stop riding after a close brush like you had... and there's no shame in that. I think it's better to learn from experiences like this, and become an even better rider.

Two years ago, just before I bought the Honey Badger, I was riding my old '95 Police E-Glide, and I was almost taken out in a FLASH running northbound on GA 400 at 53 in Dawsonville - by an IDIOT in a Tahoe who suddenly decided he needed to make a LEFT TURN FROM THE RIGHT LANE. I had been passing him in the left lane, and he obviously did not know I was there. He suddenly pulled into my lane at 50 MPH without signaling, and slammed on his brakes so he could get into the left turn lane.

I hauled down HARD on both of my brakes, and came within two feet of his rear bumper. My wife was on her bike behind me, and she thought "OH CHIT! My husband is going to get KILLED right in front of me!"

Well, the guy realized at the last moment that I was there, because he could see me in his left side mirror, I guess. He pulled back into the right lane, but I kept slowing down and did not pass him. He then pulled BACK in front of me and darted left, across a wide gap with painted yellow lines, and rolled into the left turn lane for 53, stopping very quickly to avoid rear-ending the cars sitting in that turn lane.

I couldn't believe it! As I accelerated past him, I gave him the one-finger salute nice and high, and everybody saw it. We kept riding, with me shaking my head and thinking "Well, I must have some feline blood in me... and there went ONE of my nine lives!"

Looking back on it, I firmly believe that only my years of riding experience, and responding instantly and instinctually because of it - plus some dumb luck in being in the left tire track instead of the right one - saved my ass that day... because I know in my heart that idiot never looked in his mirror anyway. My wife still can't believe that I am still around.

Some say that when passing someone, you should be in the tire track closest to them so they can see you in their rear view driver-side mirror. I had been in the left tire track, with my wife behind me in the right tire track, and he probably couldn't see me, as I was only about two car lengths behind him when he pulled this little stunt. However, if I HAD been in the right tire track and he had done this, he WOULD have taken me out. And if the fool HAD ever looked in his mirror, he WOULD have seen wife there.

Another time, in Houston, we were on a rented Softail Custom, on wet streets going about 40 MPH, and suddenly a car about 4-5 car lengths ahead slammed on its brakes and plowed into a stopped car in front of it. I slammed on both brakes, and the rear end started going left on me. I let up on both brakes, brought the rear end back in line, pulled the front brake and then started manually pumping the rear brake in a crazy "human ABS" manner. We stopped literally 2" from that car's rear bumper. This all happened in just a few seconds, and I didn't even have time to downshift. The bike was still in 5th gear when we stopped! I normally use engine braking by downshifting... but there simply was not time to do that.

My wife had been calculating which way she was going to jump when we hit that car... but thankfully we didn't hit it. After we came to a stop, I immediately looked in my mirrors to see if another vehicle was behind us and was going to plow into US... So we  could jump off the bike if needed. But fortunately, there wasn't a vehicle behind us. WHEW! Another instance of instant, instinctual response from years of experience riding... and another one of the nines lives gone?

It makes me feel really good that I was able to save both of us from injury that day. Having a BSR on board makes me ride extra carefully. Since then, my wife has told me several times, "I remember 'Houston, we have a problem.', and I know that you are a good rider because we are both still alive and uninjured." Hearing your wife say that is truly PRICELESS...

Sorry for the long reply... RIDE SAFE, everyone.

Ken
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